Matrices with all zero eigenvalues

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The discussion centers on the properties of matrices that have all zero eigenvalues, exploring implications for matrix multiplication and the behavior of such matrices in terms of their representations and eigenvector spaces.

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  • Some participants propose that a matrix has all eigenvalues equal to zero if and only if it satisfies the condition A^n v = 0 for all vectors v.
  • One participant provides an example of two matrices, A and B, both with all zero eigenvalues, and notes that their product AB does not have all zero eigenvalues.
  • There is uncertainty about how to demonstrate that Av = 0 for all vectors v, with one participant asserting that this is not necessarily true, clarifying that only the zero matrix satisfies this condition.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of diagonal representation, noting that a matrix with all zero eigenvalues cannot be decomposed into a diagonal form unless it is the zero matrix, and introduces the idea of Jordan Normal Form for such matrices.
  • One participant suggests that the original question about eigenvalues can be explored further by calculating the eigenvalues of the provided matrices and their product.
  • A link to additional terminology regarding nilpotent matrices is shared for further exploration of the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of having all zero eigenvalues, particularly regarding matrix multiplication and the conditions under which certain properties hold. No consensus is reached on the broader implications of these properties.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about matrix representations and the conditions under which certain properties apply, particularly in relation to eigenvectors and diagonalization.

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If I have a matrix for which all eigenvalues are zero, what can be said about its properties?
If I multiply two such matrices, will the product also have all zero eigenvalues?

Thanks
 
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All eigenvalue of an n by n matrix, A, are 0 if and only if A^n v= 0 for all vectors, v.

If A= \begin{bmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{bmatrix} and B= \begin{bmatrix}0 & 0 \\ 1 & 0\end{bmatrix}, then A and B both have all eigenvalues 0 but AB does not.
 
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Thanks!
How do you show that Av=0 for all vectors v?
I am not sure I understand the meaning of a matrix with all-zero eigenvalues. Obviously you can't decompose it to a diagonal representation.
 
Leo321 said:
Thanks!
How do you show that Av=0 for all vectors v?
You don't- it isn't necessarily true. For example, take
A= \begin{bmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{bmatrix} and
v= \begin{bmatrix}0 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}. The only matrix A, such that "Av= 0 for all vectors v" is, of course, the 0 matrix.

What is true, as I said before, is that A^nv= 0 for all vectors v, where A is an n by n matrix.


I am not sure I understand the meaning of a matrix with all-zero eigenvalues. Obviously you can't decompose it to a diagonal representation.
Not quite obvious!
\begin{bmatrix}0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0\end{bmatrix}
is such a "diagonal representation".

An n by n matrix can be "diagonalized" if and only if there exist n independent eigenvectors. If that is not true, then the matrix can be put into "Jordan Normal Form" which has its eigenvalues along the main diagonal and possibly "1"s on the diagonal above the main diagonal- with 0 elsewhere.
If A is 3 by 3 then it can be reduced to one of these three forms:
\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0\end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0\end{bmatrix}
or
\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 0\end{bmatrix}
depending upon whether the "eigenspace" of its eigenvectors has dimension 3, 2, or 1, respectively.
 
Thanks
 
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I think you are struggling with the question rather than its answer. The question says whenever I have a matrix (say n-by-n), I compute the eigenvalues with the characteristic equation and I obtain \lambda^n=0. Then I have one more matrix as such. And when I multiply these two matrices and compute the eigenvalues, can I get the same zero eigenvalues? Actually HallsofIvy provided you such matrices for a counterexample. my suggestion is that you work out the eigenvalues of that example for both A,B and also AB.

For your original question, let me poison you with some more terminology : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilpotent_matrix" . You can read the properties from the link.
 
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