Matrix Differentiation Problem

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a rotation matrix with respect to time, specifically addressing the appearance of negative signs when factoring out constants from derivatives. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind these transformations and the implications for the second derivative of the matrix.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about why a constant becomes negative when factored out of the derivative, suggesting it may relate to the negative first term in the matrix.
  • Another participant speculates that the negative sign is introduced to reduce the number of negative signs within the matrix.
  • A third participant provides the explicit form of the rotation matrix and its derivatives, detailing the differentiation process and confirming the negative signs in the second derivative.
  • A fourth participant poses a question regarding the second derivatives of the sine and cosine functions, inviting further exploration of the topic.

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There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the negative sign in the differentiation process, as participants offer different interpretations and insights. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question posed.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the differentiation of matrix components and the properties of trigonometric functions, which may not be explicitly stated. The reasoning behind the negative sign remains a point of contention.

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Simple question really,

I'm not sure why the constant pulled out of the derivative becomes negative (-w2). I've tried looking for answers by googling but can't come up with anything.
I feel like its because the first term (1,1) is negative but I want to be sure.

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The minus sign is pulled out so that there are fewer minus signs inside the matrix is my guess.
 
You have
[tex]R(\omega t)= \begin{pmatrix}cos(\omega t) & -sin(\omega t) & 0 \\ sin(\omega t) & cos(\omega t) & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]
(Rotation about the z-axis with constant angular velocity [itex]\omega[/itex])

I presume you know that the derivative of [itex]sin(\omega t)[/itex] is [itex]\omega cos(\omega t)[/itex] and the derivative of [itex]cos(\omega t)[/itex] is [itex]-\omega sin(\omega t)[/itex] and, further, that you differentiate a matrix by differentiating its components separately.

So you should see, easily, that
[tex]\frac{dR}{dt}= \begin{pmatrix} -\omega sin(\omega t) & -\omega cos(\omega t) & 0 \\ \omega cos(\omega t) & -\omega sin(\omega t) & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]
and, of course, you can factor "[itex]\omega[/itex]" out of the matrix.

To find the second derivative, differentiate again:
[tex]\frac{d^2R}{dt^2}= \begin{pmatrix} -\omega^2 cos(\omega t) & \omega^2 sin(\omega t) & 0 \\ -\omega^2 sin(\omega t) & -\omega^2 cos(\omega t) & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]
and factoring [itex]-\omega^2[/itex] out of that gives
[tex]-\omega^2 \begin{pmatrix} cos(\omega t) & - sin(\omega t) & 0 \\ sin(\omega t) & cos(\omega t) & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}= -\omega^2 R[/tex]
 
If ##f(t)=\cos(\omega t)## and ##g(t)=\sin(\omega t)##, what are ##f''(t)## and ##g''(t)##?
 

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