Maximising the area of a triangle of known perimeter

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum area of a triangle given a fixed perimeter. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including geometric reasoning and the application of formulas related to triangle properties.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Unredeemed, proposes that the maximum area of a triangle with a fixed perimeter is achieved by an equilateral triangle but struggles to prove this.
  • Another participant asks for a formula for the area as a function of side lengths a, b, and perimeter P.
  • A participant discusses deriving cos(γ) using the cosine rule and expresses confusion about needing sin(γ) instead.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach by finding the minimum perimeter of a triangle given a fixed area.
  • A later reply introduces Heron's formula for the area and mentions maximizing the expression (s-a)(s-b)(s-c) to find the maximum area, indicating that this occurs when the triangle is equilateral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing approaches to the problem, with some focusing on geometric properties and others on algebraic methods. There is no consensus on the best method or the proof of the equilateral triangle's area maximization.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' arguments depend on assumptions about the properties of triangles and the application of specific mathematical formulas, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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How would I find the maximum area of a triangle given a fixed perimeter?

I assume that it would be an equilateral triangle, but I'm finding it very hard proving it.

I started by drawing a triangle of side lengths a, b and P -(a+b) with angles of alpha, beta and gamma.

I then used the A=(ab*sine(gamma))/2 formula for the area. But have been hitting a definite brick wall. I'm guessing calculus is necessary, but I'm struggling to see how.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Unredeemed.
 
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Hi Unredeemed! :smile:
Unredeemed said:
I started by drawing a triangle of side lengths a, b and P -(a+b) with angles of alpha, beta and gamma.

I then used the A=(ab*sine(gamma))/2 formula for the area.

But what is your formula for the area as a function of a b and P (only) ?
 
Well, I got from the cosine rule:

(P-(a+b))^2=a^2+b^2-2abcos(\gamma)
So cos(\gamma)=((P-(a+b))^2-a^2-b^2)/(-2ab)

Here, I got a bit confused, because I need sin(\gamma), but only have cos(\gamma).

Do I need to use the fact that cos(\gamma-1/2\pi)=sin(\gamma)?
 
Unredeemed said:
How would I find the maximum area of a triangle given a fixed perimeter?

You can do it by finding the minimum perimeter of a triangle given a fixed area.
 
Use Heron's formula: The area A = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}, where s = \frac{a+b+c}{2}, and a,b,c are the sides of the triangle. The perimeter is fixed, so you want to maximize the expression (s-a)(s-b)(s-c). If you have heard of the AM-GM inequality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM-GM#The_inequality

You can find an upper bound, and by that the maximum value of the area. As you suspected, this is when a=b=c, that is when the triangle is equilateral.
 

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