Maximizing the volume of a cylindrical postal package

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The discussion revolves around maximizing the volume of a cylindrical postal package given the constraint that the sum of the length and the perimeter of the base is 60 cm. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and calculations involved in deriving the maximum volume.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the volume formula for a cylinder as V = πr²h and mentions the constraint 2L + H = 60, expressing difficulty in obtaining the correct volume.
  • Another participant proposes letting P represent the sum of the length and the perimeter, reformulating the constraint as 2πr + h = P, and suggests substituting h into the volume function to maximize it.
  • A later reply reiterates the same formulation and suggests that the maximum volume can be expressed as V_max = P³/(27π), asking for demonstration of this result.
  • One participant shares their calculations, arriving at a volume of 8000/π, which they confirm as equivalent to 2547 cm³.
  • Another participant agrees with the volume of 8000/π being the exact answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the method to arrive at the maximum volume, although some participants agree on the calculated volume of 2547 cm³. Multiple approaches and calculations are presented, indicating a lack of resolution on the optimal method.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the steps involved in maximizing the volume, particularly in relation to the constraints and the substitution process. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of the maximum volume.

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The sum of the length and the perimeter of base of a postal package to is 60 cm. find the maximum volume:
when the package is cylindrical.

The answer is 2547 cm3

V cilinder = pir2h
and the sum L + L+H = 60
2L + H = 60
solving for H and putting it into the volume i don't get the answer

Yeah I got by h = 60-2L
 
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Let's let $P$ be the sum of the length and the perimeter of the base. For a cylinder, we then have the constraint:

$$2\pi r+h=P$$

Now, the volume of the cylinder, our objective function, is:

$$V(r,h)=\pi r^2h$$

Solve the constraint for $h$, then substitute into the objective function for $h$, and you will then have a function in one variable, $r$. At this point you can maximize the function. You should show that the critical value is at a maximum. You should be able to show that:

$$V_{\max}=\frac{P^3}{27\pi}$$

Can you demonstrate that this is true?
 
Re: max and min 297

MarkFL said:
Let's let $P$ be the sum of the length and the perimeter of the base. For a cylinder, we then have the constraint:

$$2\pi r+h=P$$

Now, the volume of the cylinder, our objective function, is:

$$V(r,h)=\pi r^2h$$

Solve the constraint for $h$, then substitute into the objective function for $h$, and you will then have a function in one variable, $r$. At this point you can maximize the function. You should show that the critical value is at a maximum. You should be able to show that:

$$V_{\max}=\frac{P^3}{27\pi}$$

Can you demonstrate that this is true?

my solving is
pir2(60-2pir)
v= 60pir2-2pi2r2
V
dv = 120 pir -6pi2r
solving r= 20/pi
and h = 20
v= 8000/pi
Then v = 2547 cm3
 
Re: max and min 297

leprofece said:
my solving is
pir2(60-2pir)
v= 60pir2-2pi2r2
V
dv = 120 pir -6pi2r
solving r= 20/pi
and h = 20
v= 8000/pi
Then v = 2547 cm3

Yes, 8000/pi is the exact answer. (Yes)
 

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