Maximum and Minimum Limits at Infinity Proof?

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The discussion centers on proving that a continuous even function with equal limits at both positive and negative infinity must have either a maximum or minimum. The user expresses frustration with the rigorous proof, questioning how to apply limit definitions without using the first derivative test. It is clarified that a constant function does not satisfy the theorem, as it lacks a maximum or minimum. The conversation suggests that if the function is not constant, there exist points where the function value deviates from the limit, allowing for the identification of maximum and minimum values within specific intervals. The need for precise selection of points to demonstrate this behavior is emphasized.
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I'm frustrated beyond belief with a proof.

Suppose we have an continuous even function with a domain of all real numbers. Now this function has limit as x goes to negative infinty equal to l and the limit as x goes to positive infinty is also equal to l.

I want to show that this function will either have a maximum or a minimum.

I'm not sure at all how to show this rigorously since I don't know how to apply the definition of a limit to limits at infinity. I think it has to do with bounds. And I need to do this without first derivative test.
 
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Aren't the specifications you give consistent with the constant function f(x) = 1?
 
Did you think my l was a 1. Maybe I should write it differently.

lim (x-> -oo) f(x) = lim (x-> oo) f(x) = a
and a is even.

Want to show f has either a minimum or a maximum.
 
intuitively this makes sense, but rigorously you could show that unless it is a consant function (for example y = 1) then there must be a point where it switches between a positive and negative slope. I am not entirely sure what level of "rigorousness" you want.
 
First, you still have the problem that was pointed out by both selfadjoint and T@p:
The constant function f(x)= a satisfies your conditions but does not have a maximum or minimum so the "theorem" as you stated it is not true.

If f(x) is NOT A CONSTANT FUNCTION, then there exist some x0 such that f(x0) is not equal to a and so is either larger than or less than a.

Assume f(x0)> a. Since limit as x-> infinity f(x)= a, there exist some x1> x0 such that f(x1)< f(x0).
Similarly, since limit as x-> -infinity f(x)= a, there exist some x2< x0 such that f(x2)< f(x0). Since f is continuous on the closed and bounded interval [x2, x1] it must have both maximum and minimum values there. Now show that f has a maximum on -infinity to infinity.
 
I need help. Find the minimum of y = Absolute value of (sinx + cosx + tanx + cotx +
secx + cscx) Thanks Ruth Jackson the_perfect_mom@hotmail.com
 
HallsofIvy said:
Assume f(x0)> a. Since limit as x-> infinity f(x)= a, there exist some x1> x0 such that f(x1)< f(x0).

I think you need to add something about x1 here. Choose it in such a way that if x>x1 then f(x)<f(x0). Similar change with how you select x2.
 

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