Maximum weight of a Neutron star

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The discussion revolves around the maximum weight of a neutron star, exploring theoretical limits, implications of mass thresholds, and the conditions under which a neutron star may collapse into a black hole. The scope includes theoretical constructs, equations of state, and the implications of mass measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article stating a maximum weight of 2.16 solar masses for a neutron star, questioning its accuracy and the implications of exceeding this mass.
  • Others note that theoretical constructions generally suggest a maximum mass of less than 3 solar masses, indicating a range of accepted values.
  • One participant cautions against interpreting the term "infinitesimal addition" too liberally, suggesting that a few percent uncertainty could represent a significant mass change.
  • Another participant proposes that the equation of state used is crucial, suggesting that a "stiff" equation could allow for a neutron star mass limit of about 5 solar masses before collapsing into a black hole.
  • It is mentioned that rotating neutron stars may be stabilized by angular momentum, potentially allowing them to exceed the mass limits of stationary stars before collapse.
  • Concerns are raised about the longevity of neutron stars exceeding 3 solar masses, indicating that such stars may not exist for extended periods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the maximum mass of neutron stars, with no consensus reached on a definitive limit. Multiple competing models and interpretations of the data are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific equations of state and the uncertainties in mass measurements, which may influence the conclusions drawn about neutron star stability and collapse.

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180116093650.htm

This article gives a maximum weight of 2.16 solar masses, and an infinitesimal addition would turn it into a Black hole. I can not find a paper to support this article so do you think it is correct?
 
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"an infinitesimal addition would turn it into a Black hole."

Be careful about reading more into an article or paper than is actually there. The article says "with an accuracy of a few percent". A few percent could mean 5% and 5% of 2.16 solar masses is about 0.1 solar masses, hardly an infinitesimal amount.
 
It depends on what Equation of State you use.I prefer a very "stiff" equation of state strictly constrained by the Pauli Exclusion Principle applied to neutrons. Given a neutron star at neutron densities a neutron star of about 5 solar masses would turn into a black hole, so this is the upper mass limit for a neutron star I would use.
 
NFuller said:
The paper is linked at the bottom of the page http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aaa401/meta

The result is reasonable since theoretical constructions tend to give a maximum mass of less than 3 solar masses.

No need for login at arxive.org. Title and a few authors usually pops up a link.

ianchristie said:
"an infinitesimal addition would turn it into a Black hole."

Be careful about reading more into an article or paper than is actually there. The article says "with an accuracy of a few percent". A few percent could mean 5% and 5% of 2.16 solar masses is about 0.1 solar masses, hardly an infinitesimal amount.

Consider what happens if you step over the edge of a cliff. I could tell you to "watch out for the pit over yonder... about 200 meters ±10m". You can walk up to the edge of a pit and stick your toes over and wiggle them. The ±10m uncertainty in my statement was the location. At the edge a small fraction of a step will lead to a a serious accident. Dancing 5 meters from a fall hazard would not be dangerous.
 
It depends.
Rotating neutron star would be stabilized by its angular momentum and could be significantly heavier than stationary one before collapse proceeds. One way or another it is unlikely that anything over 3 solar masses would last for long.
 
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