Meaning of \delta in Implicit Functions

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the notation \(\delta\) in the context of implicit functions and partial derivatives. Participants explore the distinctions between \(\delta\), \(\Delta\), and \(d\) in mathematical expressions, particularly in relation to changes in variables and their implications for derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether \(\delta x\) represents a small change in \(x\) similar to \(\Delta x\), or if it has a different meaning.
  • There is a suggestion that \(\delta\) indicates a small change, while \(\Delta\) denotes a larger change, as noted by one participant.
  • Another participant believes that the usage of \(\partial\) relates to partial derivatives and that the terms are used to derive a total differential of the function \(F(x,y,z)\).
  • Concerns are raised about the multiplication of partial derivatives by \(\delta x\) and the implications of this notation, leading to confusion about the meaning of \(dx\) in this context.
  • One participant asserts that \(dx\) is a "differential," suggesting it represents an infinitesimal change in \(x\).
  • There is a discussion about the limits applied to small changes when taking differentials, indicating a process of approaching zero.

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Participants express differing views on the meanings of \(\delta\), \(d\), and their roles in the context of implicit functions and derivatives. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple interpretations and no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguities in notation and terminology, particularly regarding the transition from \(\delta\) to \(d\) and the implications for understanding derivatives in implicit functions.

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I've come across a very ambiguous statement in my notes on implicit functions (part of the partial derivatives part of the course). I'll write out the preceding explanation but the problematic line is marked by *

"Sometimes we can define a function z=z(x, y) only in implicit form, i.e. through an equation F(x, y, z) = 0.
It is not always possible to solve this equation for z and obtain the function z=f(x,y).

In order to calculate the derivatives of a function defined implicitly we note that from the above equation it follows that:
* [tex]\delta[/tex]F=0 [tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]F = Fx[tex]\delta[/tex]x + Fy[tex]\delta[/tex]y + Fz[tex]\delta[/tex]z = 0.
Or by taking differentials,
Fxdx + Fydy + Fzdz = 0"

My main problem is understanding how [tex]\delta[/tex]x can stand on its own (above used as a factor). Is it just the same as ∆x, i.e. a change in x and not a derivative?

Also, how the [tex]\delta[/tex] expressions change to d expressions in the second line is unclear to me...
 
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There is some ambiguity in the meaning of delta. Ask a physicist and he/she will tell you that [tex]\delta[/tex] means a small change whereas [tex]\Delta[/tex] corresponds to a large change.
 
i believe that your usage of ∂ is in the form of a partial derivative
and that you are using partial differentials in order to gain a total differential of the function F(x,y,z)
 
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raymo39 said:
i believe that your usage of ∂ is in the form of a partial derivative
and that you are using partial differentials in order to gain a total differential of the function F(x,y,z)
The problem is that the Fx term implies ∂F/∂x and so on, whereas these individual partial derivative are then multiplied by the [tex]\delta[/tex]x and so on terms - this is what confuses me.

So is it a partial derivative multiplied by a small change?
 
Yes, [itex]\delta x[/itex] here just means a small change in x. Taking the limit as [itex]\delta x[/itex] becomes "infinitesmal" gives you dx.
 
Ok, so what does dx stand for then? It is again multiplied by Fx, giving ∂F/∂x · dx. Since it isn't a double derivative of F with respect to x (especially since ∂ =/= d), then what is it's meaning here?
 
dx is a "differential".
 
So is it similar to "an infinitesimal change in x" but now it's an "infinitesimally small difference (ie, variation or difference) in x"?
 
well when you are taking differentials, you add limits to your small change in the value as they tend to zero
 

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