Measurability with respect to completion

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The discussion revolves around the measurability of a positive function with respect to a complete sigma algebra, particularly in the context of Lebesgue integration. Participants explore the definitions and implications of measurability within measure spaces and sigma algebras.

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  • One participant asks how to demonstrate that a positive function with a Lebesgue integral is measurable with respect to the complete sigma algebra.
  • Another participant suggests that to show measurability, one must prove that the set {x : f(x) < α} is in the sigma algebra for any α ∈ ℝ.
  • A participant questions the relevance of the Lebesgue integral in the argument for measurability.
  • Further clarification is provided that the function must be shown to be measurable with respect to the Lebesgue measure, reiterating the need to demonstrate that {x | f(x) < α} is a Lebesgue measurable set.
  • One participant critiques the initial question, stating that it is incorrect to ask about measurability with respect to a sigma algebra and emphasizes the need to consider the measure space (ℝ, ℳ, m) instead.
  • This participant also points out that the term "complete" may be misused, suggesting it should refer to the completeness of the measure space rather than the sigma algebra itself.

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Participants express differing views on the correct framing of the question regarding measurability and the role of the Lebesgue integral, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of measurability and completeness, as well as the assumptions about the measure space being used. These aspects are not fully clarified, leaving some ambiguity in the arguments presented.

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How can one show that a positive function with a Lebesgue integral is measurable with respect to the complete sigma algebra?
 
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Just as always, you must show that \{x : f(x)&lt; \alpha \} is a set in the sigma algebra for any \alpha \in \mathbb{R}.
 
Ok, but how does the Lebesgue integral aspect factor into the argument?
 
haljordan45 said:
Ok, but how does the Lebesgue integral aspect factor into the argument?

You need to show the function is measurable with respect to the lebesgue measure. Thus given \alpha \in \mathbb{R} you must show that
\{x|f(x)&lt; \alpha \}
is a lebesgue measurable set.
 
Also, a couple of comments are in order regarding your initial post.

1) It doesn't make sense to ask whether a function is measurable with respect to a sigma algebra. What you should be asking is how to show that the function f is measurable with respect to the measure space (which according to your post I can only assume is)
(\mathbb{R}, \mathcal{M} ,m) ,
that is, the real line together with the sigma algebra of all lebesgue measurable sets, and the lebesgue measure. Doing this is simply a matter of definition which I have given in the previous post.

2) It doesn't make sense to call a sigma algebra complete (unless this means something specific which I am unaware of). I can only assume the word complete here is referring to the fact that the space which I had previously mentioned is a complete measure space, that is for any subset E \in \mathcal{M} and A \subseteq E we have m(E)=0 \Rightarrow A \in \mathcal{M}.

Thus your post should have read:

How does one show a positive function is measurable with respect to the measure space (\mathbb{R}, \mathcal{M} ,m)
 

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