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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of connected particles, specifically focusing on the calculation of accelerations and total time in a pulley problem involving two masses. Participants explore various equations and concepts related to motion, acceleration, and forces acting on the masses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated an acceleration of 8 m/s² but expressed confusion about determining the total time.
  • Another participant referenced similar concepts from a previously discussed pulley problem, suggesting a connection to the current problem.
  • Multiple participants outlined the need to calculate two different accelerations, $a_1$ and $a_2$, using equations involving tension and friction.
  • One participant calculated time for the first part of the motion as 0.5 s and velocity as 4 m/s, but was uncertain about the textbook's answer of 2.5 s.
  • Another participant confirmed the calculations for $a_1$ and provided a method to find the total time by adding the times for both parts of the motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations for the first part of the motion, but there is uncertainty regarding the total time and how it aligns with the textbook answer. Multiple competing views on the calculations and interpretations of the problem remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on assumptions about friction and the specific conditions of the problem, which have not been fully clarified. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning that could affect the final results.

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I calculated a=8m/s^2. I don't understand how to calculate the total time.
 
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same concepts apply to this problem as with the other posted pulley problem ...
 
skeeter said:
same concepts apply to this problem as with the other posted pulley problem ...
Using s= 1/2at^2, 5=1/2×8×t^2
t=1.12s
After this how do I calculate? It's confusing.
 
The problem requires calculation of two accelerations. The first, $a_1$, is determined by the equations

$T - f_k = ma_1$
$Mg - T = Ma_1$

The second acceleration, $a_2$, is only for the smaller mass …

$-f_k = ma_2$

The small mass moves only 1m with acceleration $a_1$. After moving that 1m, tension becomes zero when the larger mass hits the ground. The smaller mass continues moving with acceleration $a_2$ until it comes to a stop.
 
skeeter said:
The problem requires calculation of two accelerations. The first, $a_1$, is determined by the equations

$T - f_k = ma_1$
$Mg - T = Ma_1$

The second acceleration, $a_2$, is only for the smaller mass …

$-f_k = ma_2$

The small mass moves only 1m with acceleration $a_1$. After moving that 1m, tension becomes zero when the larger mass hits the ground. The smaller mass continues moving with
 
skeeter said:
The problem requires calculation of two accelerations. The first, $a_1$, is determined by the equations

$T - f_k = ma_1$
$Mg - T = Ma_1$

The second acceleration, $a_2$, is only for the smaller mass …

$-f_k = ma_2$

The small mass moves only 1m with acceleration $a_1$. After moving that 1m, tension becomes zero when the larger mass hits the ground. The smaller mass continues moving with acceleration $a_2$ until it comes to a stop.
So a= 8m/s^2
S= ut +1/2at^2
1=1/2×8×t^2, t=0.5s
I calculated v=4m/s
F=m×a
-5=0.5×a
a=-10m/s^2
I still don't get the ans mentioned in the textbook which is t= 2.5s
 
correct on the first part …

$a_1= 8 \, m/s^2 \implies t_1 = 0.5 \, s \implies v_f = a_1 t_1 = 4 \, m/s$

$v_f = 4 \, m/s$ becomes $v_0$ for the second part …

$a_2 = -\mu g = -2 \, m/s^2$

$v_f = v_0 + a_2t_2 \implies 0 = 4 - 2t_2 \implies t_2 = 2 \, s$

$t_1+t_2 = 2.5 \, s$
 
skeeter said:
correct on the first part …

$a_1= 8 \, m/s^2 \implies t_1 = 0.5 \, s \implies v_f = a_1 t_1 = 4 \, m/s$

$v_f = 4 \, m/s$ becomes $v_0$ for the second part …

$a_2 = -\mu g = -2 \, m/s^2$

$v_f = v_0 + a_2t_2 \implies 0 = 4 - 2t_2 \implies t_2 = 2 \, s$

$t_1+t_2 = 2.5 \, s$
Thank you so so so so so so much!
 

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