Minimizing Aphi' + Bcos(phi) in [0,L] w/ phi(0)=0

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The discussion revolves around minimizing the integral of a function involving a variable phi over the interval [0, L], with specific boundary conditions and constraints. The problem is situated within the context of calculus of variations, exploring potential solutions and the nature of the function phi.

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  • One participant seeks guidance on minimizing the integral involving A, B, and phi, with the condition that phi(0) = 0 and phi(x) is an increasing positive function.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is related to the calculus of variations and mentions the Euler-Lagrange equation as a potential approach to find minimizing functions.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the zero function being the only solution, with one noting that the Euler-Lagrange equation might yield more than just the zero function.
  • There is a proposal to use a simplified form of the Euler-Lagrange equation due to the integrand's independence from x, leading to a different equation that could have multiple solutions.
  • One participant reformulates the problem, suggesting that minimizing the integral leads to the conclusion that phi(x) = 0 is a solution, questioning whether other differentiable solutions exist.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of weak solutions, providing a piecewise definition for phi that could satisfy the conditions of the problem under certain constraints.
  • Finally, one participant acknowledges a mistake in their model and indicates a plan to create a new thread for further discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of solutions to the problem, particularly regarding the validity of the zero function and the existence of other solutions. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the approach to the problem.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the function phi, particularly its positivity and monotonicity, as well as the potential for analytical solutions to the derived equations. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I'm trying to find a function for x in [0, L] that minimizes this:

[tex]\int_0^{L} A \phi(x) \frac{ d \phi(x) }{dx} + B cos(\phi(x))\ d\mbox{x}[/tex]

For real (given) positve numbers A and B.

with
[itex]\phi(0) = 0[/itex]
[itex]\phi(x)[/itex] is an increasing positve function.

Can somebody point me in the right direction?
 
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Sounds like a calculus of variations problem.

I'm no expert, but the principal thing to do would be to find the Euler-Lagrange equation for [itex]\phi(x)[/itex]. The solution (or solutions) to that equation will be the function which minimizes that integral.

I don't exactly know how to do this, but if you look at the Wikipedia article on the calculus of variations, and go down to the section on the Euler-Lagrange equation, you should find some useful tips there.
 
Yes I get the zero function then but that is not what I am looking for.
 
the Euler-Lagrange equation only has zero as a solution?
 
Yes I get the zero function then but that is not what I am looking for.

[tex]\frac { \partial L } { \partial \phi } = A \frac{d \phi}{dx} -C sin ( \phi(x))[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d}{dx } \left( \frac { \partial L } { \partial \phi' } \right) = A \frac{d \phi}{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\frac { \partial L } { \partial \phi } - \frac{d}{dx } \left( \frac { \partial L } { \partial \phi' } \right) = C sin ( \phi(x)) = 0[/tex]
 
well that sure is interesting...

How do you know that the zero function isn't actually the solution you're looking for?
 
Also, since you're integrand doesn't depend explicitly on [itex]x[/itex], you can try the simplified Euler Lagrange equation instead:
[itex]L-\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi}\frac{d \phi}{d x} = const[/itex].
Here, that would translate to
[itex]A \phi \phi' + B Cos(\phi) -(A \phi' - B Sin(\phi))\phi'= const[/itex]
or rather
[itex]A (\phi-\phi') \phi' + B \big(Cos(\phi) -\frac{d}{dx}( Cos(\phi)\big)= const[/itex]

I don't know how to solve this off the top of my head, but this equation probably admits more than zero as a solution.
 
Yes, you are right but I do not see how this is going to help me. This might be easier than an integral but this a non linear DE and I do not think an analytical solution exists.
 
Since [itex]\phi\phi' = \frac12 (\phi^2)'[/itex] you are trying to minimize [tex] \frac{A\phi(L)^2}{2} + \int_0^L B\cos(\phi(x))\,dx.[/tex] The Euler-Lagrange equation is then [tex]B\sin(\phi) = 0[/tex] so that indeed [itex]\phi(x) = 0[/itex].

Do you have reason to believe that any other (differentiable) solutions exist? Also, although [itex]\phi(x) = 0[/itex] is not a strictly positive strictly increasing function, it is a positive increasing function.

(For weak solutions, you can take [tex] \phi(x) = \begin{cases} 0 & 0 \leq x < x_0 \\<br /> (2n+1)\pi & x_0 \leq x \leq L \end{cases}[/tex] for some positive integer [itex]n[/itex] and if [itex]0 < 2L - \frac{A(2n+1)^2\pi^2}{2B} < L[/itex] then for any [itex]0 < x_0 < 2L - \frac{A(2n+1)^2\pi^2}{2B}[/itex] you have [tex] \frac{A\phi(L)^2}{2} + \int_0^L B \cos(\phi(x))\,dx = \frac{A(2n+1)^2\pi^2}{2} - B(L - x_0) < BL,[/tex] the last being the value attained when [itex]\phi[/itex] is zero.)
 
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I made a mistake with the model. I will create a new thread.
 
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