Misunderstanding in converting atomic weight to kg (s.state physics)?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass density of Sodium and the number of atoms per cubic centimeter for Aluminum, using atomic weights and crystal structures. Participants are examining the conversion of atomic weight to the weight of an atom and its implications on density calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of atomic weight and its conversion to the weight of an individual atom. There are questions about the volume of the unit cell and the accuracy of the given lattice constant. Some participants suggest checking calculations and assumptions regarding the atomic radius.

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There is a mix of agreement and differing interpretations regarding the calculations. Some participants have provided guidance on checking the volume of the unit cell and the values used for Avogadro's number. Others have noted discrepancies in calculated densities compared to given solutions, suggesting potential issues with computation or assumptions.

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Participants are working within the constraints of provided atomic weights and crystal structures. There is mention of possible variations in literature values and the impact of defects in materials on density measurements.

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Two questions :
1. find the (mass) density of Sodium. Atomic weight: 22.9898. Crystal structure: bcc. a=4.23 angstrom (crystal constant).
2. Given the (mass) density of Aluminum : 2.7 g/cm^3. Atomic weight: 26.982. Find the number of atoms density (# of atoms per [itex]cm^{3}[/itex]).

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These questions looks trivial, but my answers are slightly different from the given solutions.
I think that this might be because I have a mistake in the conversion from atomic weight to the weight of an atom.
To my understanding, the atomic weight is the weight in grams of Avogadro number ([itex]6.022\times10^{23}[/itex]) of atoms.

The Attempt at a Solution



Therefore I get:
1. The weight of an atom is : [itex]\frac{22.9898}{6.022\times10^{23}}=3.818\times10^{-23} gram[/itex]. And since in bcc there are 2 atoms in unit cell we have density of:
[itex]\frac{2\times3.818\times10^{-23}}{{(4.23\times10^{-8})}^{3}}=1.009 g/cm^{3}[/itex]
But the given solution is [itex]0.97 g/cm^{3}[/itex]

2. The number of atoms density (# of atoms per [itex]cm^{3}[/itex]), is density/atom's weight. Atom's weight = [itex]\frac{26.982}{6.022\times10^{23}}=4.481\times10^{-23} gram[/itex]. Therefore, the atomic density is : [itex]\frac{2.7}{4.481\times10^{-23}}=6.025\times10^{23} atoms/cm^{3}[/itex].
But the given solution is [itex]6.028 \times10^{23} atoms/cm^{3}[/itex].

Where is my mistake?
Thanks,
Naftali
 
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You have correctly calculated the weight of an atom.

I think you need to check how you have calculated the volume of a cell. See..

http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~engmats/xtal/crystal/crystal.html

Sorry for editing this a few times.
 
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From one corner of the bcc to the diagonally opposite corner is four time the radius of an atom (r+2r+r = 4r). If the length of a side is "a" then

a2+a2+a2=(4r)2

a=SQURT(4r2/3)

Wikipedia says the radius is 1.86 Angstroms so

a=4.295 x 10-8m

Thats different from your value of 4.23

Then density is

= (2 x 3.818 x 10-23)/(4.295 x 10-8)3
= 0.964g/cm3
 
The lattice constant is given in the problem (a=4.23 A). No need to calculate it. And the volume of the BCC cell is a^3. You don't need the atomic radius for this problem.

You did the calculations correctly for both parts. If the numbers are a little off then maybe they used different values for Avogadro number or something like this. Or your calculator is a little off.
On the other hand, if you compare with values from literature, then the given lattice constant may be a little off.

PS. I did the calculations with the values given (4.23 A, 22.9898) and NA=6.022 10^23 and I've got density of 0.96g/cm^3.
So after all, it may be a problem with your computation process.
 
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Thanks you all for the answers.

nasu - sorry, despite my tries I don't get this result (and I tried another calculator..), I will be thankful if you can show your calculation process.

Thanks
 
naftali said:
Thanks you all for the answers.

nasu - sorry, despite my tries I don't get this result (and I tried another calculator..), I will be thankful if you can show your calculation process.

Thanks

Sorry, my bad. I suspect I used 6.22 instead of 6.022 in Avogadro number.
You are right, with the numbers given in the problem, you get a value of 1.00 if rounded to 3 digits. This is a little larger than the values measured by macroscopic techniques, which are below 1 (sodium floats on water).
It does not necessarily mean that the given values are wrong.
The so called x-ray density (calculated above) may happen to be larger than the actual density of the crystal. And even more so for polycrystalline materials. Defects, vacancies, pores and other factors may all contribute to reduce the density.
 
Thanks anyway..
 

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