Modeling CO2 Laser as a 4-Level Laser

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The discussion centers on modeling the CO2 laser as a four-level laser system, exploring the differences and similarities between the CO2 laser's energy levels and those of a generic four-level laser as described in a textbook. Participants are examining the rate equations and the nature of transitions between energy levels in both systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about modeling the CO2 laser as a four-level laser, noting differences in the radiative transitions compared to a generic four-level laser.
  • Another participant explains that the CO2 laser can indeed be considered a four-level system, detailing the specific vibrational modes involved in the transitions and the role of collisions in the gas.
  • A clarification is made regarding the nature of the transitions in the CO2 laser, highlighting that while there are four levels, the radiative transitions differ from those in the generic model.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the different transitions and how they relate to the overall understanding of laser operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that both systems consist of four levels, but they differ in the specifics of the radiative transitions. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the implications of these differences for modeling the CO2 laser.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the energy levels and the nature of transitions, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of the laser systems involved.

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I am not sure this is the right place where I should post, I hope I've chosen the right section.

I'm studying laser's fundamentals on Svelto's "Principles of Lasers". Here I find the description of a generic four level laser by means of rate equations; it can be represented like this: (first picture)

Then, I read that the CO2 laser, whose basic scheme is in the second picture, can be modeled as a four-levele laser too; I don't understand why this is true. In the CO2 laser the radiative transition is between level 3 and 2, while in the first photo it is between 2 and 1. Moreover, level n.3 in the first picture should be pratically empty, while in the CO2 laser it isn't so.

Can anyone explain me how I can model a CO2 laser like a four-level laser like the one in the first picture?

Thanks.
 

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I am not a laser expert, but maybe this helps. The pictures are describing somewhat different processes. The CO2 laser is a four level system:

v0: ground state
v1: symmetric vibrational mode
v2: bending mode
v3: anti-symmetric vibrational mode

In the CO2 laser you have a lasing from the anti-symmetric (v3) vibrational mode to the symmetric vibrational (v1) mode with the release of energy as a photon. Such a transistion satisfies conservation laws. However, you can also have relaxations between the antisymmetric mode (v3) and the "bending mode" (v2), yet this is not an optically active transition. The v3-v2 transitions are due to collisions in the gas.

the first picture (left) also shows a four level system with lasing between levels (v2) and (v1). A system like this would have a molecule excited to (v3). The molecule then relaxes to (v2) and lases from (v2 to v1). Finally the molecule may relaxes from v1 to the ground state v0 via collisions.
 
So your point is "there are 4 levels in both cases, they just differ from the radiative transition, 3->2 instead of 2->1", is it?
 
Yes - I think that is what is going on
 

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