Modeling Universes: Can We Predict Theoretical Universes?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of modeling theoretical universes with different physical constants, exploring whether mathematical models can predict the properties of such universes. The scope includes theoretical physics, cosmology, and speculative reasoning about the implications of altering fundamental constants.

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  • One participant introduces the concept of "Exouniverses" and questions whether it is possible to model universes with different physical constants, such as variations in the mass of fundamental particles or the speed of light.
  • Another participant notes that while theoretical physicists engage in modeling such scenarios, these efforts are speculative due to the invocation of unknown physics, making definitive statements about other universes challenging.
  • A participant mentions the existence of approximately 26 fundamental constants in our universe, suggesting that altering one constant typically affects others, often with detrimental effects on the potential for life.
  • This same participant expresses uncertainty about whether the existence of other universes is implied by the fine-tuning of constants in our universe, stating that no other entities are known or necessary to explain our universe's properties.
  • Additionally, the participant speculates that evidence for such theoretical universes may emerge from advancements in high-energy physics and the study of spontaneous symmetry breaking.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of modeling other universes, with some acknowledging the speculative nature of such discussions while others emphasize the fine-tuning of constants in our universe. No consensus is reached regarding the existence or predictability of other universes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the unknown aspects of physics and the speculative nature of modeling theoretical universes, as well as the interdependence of fundamental constants.

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Well, I discussed with a classmate about the wonders of this cosmos, watching "Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking", the alien chapter, which told about concepts of alien life in exoplanets. So we thought about concepts of "Exouniverses". I use this term because:

Is it possible to model or predict (through mathematical models) universes with different physical constants?. I mean, considering a universe where the mass of neutrons, protons or electrons are different,the amount of matter vs antimatter or where speed of light is different (for example).

Basically, as we make astrobiological or astrometeorological models (based in changes of atmospheric pressure, gravity or any other environmental feature), can we make cosmoligcal predictions or are we unable to do it because this "Theoricals Universes" are unimaginable.

"Unimaginable" sounds ambiguous if we talk about relativity or quantum physics, I know, but let's think about this concept of modeling universes.
 
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Well, theoretical physicists do this sort of thing all the time. The primary difficulty is that doing so necessarily invokes unknown physics, which means that all such attempts are currently only speculative (i.e. if the high energy laws of physics have such and such properties, then other universes might look like...). It's not terribly difficult to do, at least at a hypothetical level, but we just don't know enough about physics to say much of anything definitive about other universes.
 
There are about 26 [IIRC] fundamental constants in this universe. Generally speaking, if you tweak one, you tweak the others - often with unfortunate consequences for life in the universe. The constants in this universe are exquisitely fine tuned to permit it to survive this long without disintegrating, collapsing, or depleted of energy. Does that imply other universes? - unknown. Thus far all we can say is no other such entities are known or necessary to explain the properties of our universe.
 
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There are about 26 [IIRC] fundamental constants in this universe. Generally speaking, if you tweak one, you tweak the others - often with unfortunate consequences for life in the universe. The constants in this universe are exquisitely fine tuned to permit it to survive this long without disintegrating, collapsing, or depleted of energy. Does that imply other universes? - unknown. Thus far all we can say is no other such entities are known or necessary to explain the properties of our universe.
Well, I think that the evidence of such things is most likely to arrive from discoveries in high-energy physics, in particular the nature of various sorts of spontaneous symmetry breaking.
 

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