Mohr's Circle Formula: Understanding Why σ_xl Disappears

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The discussion revolves around the Mohr's Circle formula, specifically addressing why the term σ_xl disappears in a certain equation. Participants are examining the mathematical manipulation involved and seeking clarification on the derivation of the equation.

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  • Some participants question the validity of the equation presented, suggesting that it may not simply follow from manipulation of one side to produce the other.
  • There is a correction regarding the equation, with one participant noting that the left-hand side should include σx + σy instead of σx - σy.
  • Participants express a desire for a proof of the equation, indicating that the provided resources do not sufficiently explain the derivation.
  • One participant mentions that the proof involves obtaining expressions for σn and τn as functions of θ and then eliminating θ to establish a relationship between σn and τn.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correctness of the equation or the steps involved in its derivation, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the derivation of the equation and the specific steps required to arrive at the conclusion. Participants have differing interpretations of the equation's formulation.

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foo9008 said:

Homework Statement



https://web.iit.edu/sites/web/files/departments/academic-affairs/Academic Resource Center/pdfs/Mohr_Circle.pdf[/B]
why will σ_xl disappear in the equation ? [ [σ_xl - (σx -σy)/ 2 ] ^2 ] = ( [ (σx -σy)/ 2] ^2 ) is it wrong ?

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I don't think the above equation is supposed to follow from a simple manipulation of one side to produce the other. Rather, this equation is the result of some sequence of steps. Note that you have misquoted it: on the left hand side it should be σxy, not minus.
See if https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr's_circle helps.
 
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haruspex said:
I don't think the above equation is supposed to follow from a simple manipulation of one side to produce the other. Rather, this equation is the result of some sequence of steps. Note that you have misquoted it: on the left hand side it should be σxy, not minus.
See if https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr's_circle helps.
can you show me the proof ? the link doesn't provide the proof
 
foo9008 said:
can you show me the proof ? the link doesn't provide the proof
It has what looks to me as a claimed proof. At "Equation of the Mohr Circle" it obtains expressions for σn and τn as functions of θ. Then it eliminates θ between these two equations to obtain a relationship between σn and τn. This produces the equation you queried.
 
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