Moment generating function question

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The discussion revolves around finding the moment generating function of the sum of independent random variables, specifically when the number of variables is itself a random variable. Participants explore the implications of having independent identically distributed (i.i.d.) random variables and an independent non-negative integer valued random variable.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the distribution of the random variables and how to derive the moment generating function without this information.
  • One participant questions whether the variable N, which represents the number of random variables, is itself a random variable.
  • Another participant proposes a specific expression for the moment generating function, assuming a normal distribution for the random variables and providing a formula involving the probabilities of N.
  • There is a request for clarification on how a specific expression for the moment generating function was derived, indicating a need for further explanation of the steps involved.
  • A participant notes that the moment generating function can be expressed in terms of the expected value and the probability density function of the sum of the random variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the distribution of the random variables or the correctness of the proposed moment generating function. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the assumptions and derivations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge missing information about the specific distribution of the random variables and the implications this has for deriving the moment generating function. There are also unresolved questions about the nature of the random variable N.

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Let X1,X2,…,Xn be independent random variables that all have the same distribution, let N be an independent non-negative integer valued random variable, and let SN:=X1+X2+⋯+XN. Find an expression for the moment generating function of SN

so all i know is that it is i.i.d but i am not sure what distribution it is in order to find the moment generating function. how do i solve this question?
 
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Re: moment generating function question

oyth94 said:
Let X1,X2,…,Xn be independent random variables that all have the same distribution, let N be an independent non-negative integer valued random variable, and let SN:=X1+X2+⋯+XN. Find an expression for the moment generating function of SN

so all i know is that it is i.i.d but i am not sure what distribution it is in order to find the moment generating function. how do i solve this question?

I'm not sure to have correctly understood... is N, the number of random variables, a random variable itself?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Re: moment generating function question

oyth94 said:
Let X1,X2,…,Xn be independent random variables that all have the same distribution, let N be an independent non-negative integer valued random variable, and let SN:=X1+X2+⋯+XN. Find an expression for the moment generating function of SN

so all i know is that it is i.i.d but i am not sure what distribution it is in order to find the moment generating function. how do i solve this question?

Let suppose that we know the quantity...

$\displaystyle p_{n}= P \{N=n\}\ (1)$

... and each continuous r.v. is $\displaystyle \mathcal {N} (0,\sigma)$, then is...

$\displaystyle m_{S_{N}} (t) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{n}\ e^{\frac{n}{2}\ \sigma^{2}\ t^{2}}\ (2)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Re: moment generating function question

chisigma said:
Let suppose that we know the quantity...

$\displaystyle p_{n}= P \{N=n\}\ (1)$

... and each continuous r.v. is $\displaystyle \mathcal {N} (0,\sigma)$, then is...

$\displaystyle m_{S_{N}} (t) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{n}\ e^{\frac{n}{2}\ \sigma^{2}\ t^{2}}\ (2)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

I'm not sure how you arrived at this answer..can you please explain?
 
If I understood correctly, the $X_{i}, i=1,2,...,N$ are continuous r.v. with the same p.d.f. f(x) [which is not specified...] and N is a discrete r.v. with discrete p.d.f. $p_{n} = P \{N=n\}, n=1,2,...\ $. Setting $S = X_{1} + X_{2} + ... + X_{N}$, the r.v. S has p.d.f. ...

$\displaystyle f_{N} (x) = f(x) * f(x) * ... * f(x),\text{N times}\ (1)$

... and the moment generating function is...$\displaystyle m_{S} (t) = E \{e^{S\ t}\} = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{n}\ \int_{- \infty}^{+ \infty} e^{x\ t} f_{n} (x)\ dx\ (2)$Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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