Momentum of two colliding trollies.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the momentum of two colliding trolleys, specifically focusing on the principles of conservation of momentum and energy in the context of an inelastic collision.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods to solve the problem, including the use of conservation principles. Questions arise regarding the validity of their approaches, particularly in relation to energy conservation during inelastic collisions.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the conservation of kinetic energy and its implications in inelastic collisions. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made about energy transfer during the collision.

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Participants note that mechanical energy is not conserved in this scenario, as the trolleys stick together after the collision. There is also a discussion about the timing of energy transfer and the conditions under which kinetic energy might be considered conserved.

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The question is shown in the first image attached.

I did three ways to solve it, and all three answers were wrong. After some trial and errors, I found the correct solution, which is written in the little box in the second image.

However, I still find my three solutions reasonable. I used both Principle of Conservation of Momentum and Principle of Conservation of Energy. I substituted everything correctly too. Why are they wrong?
 

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Kinetic energy is not conserved here since it is an inelastic collision.
For your first attempt, just use the first equation you've written down, remembering that mA = mB
 
coconut62 said:
I used both Principle of Conservation of Momentum and Principle of Conservation of Energy.
Mechanical energy is not conserved--the cars stick together. In fact, one of the questions asks for the fraction of KE lost.
 
ap123, thank you.

Doc Al said:
Mechanical energy is not conserved--the cars stick together.

Is it possible for one of the trolley to transfer all of its kinetic energy to another trolley while still being able to stick together with it? I mean like, when the first trolley hits the other, in that fraction of a second before any sound energy could be produced, the second trolley just starts moving and kinetic energy is conserved?
 
coconut62 said:
Is it possible for one of the trolley to transfer all of its kinetic energy to another trolley while still being able to stick together with it? I mean like, when the first trolley hits the other, in that fraction of a second before any sound energy could be produced, the second trolley just starts moving and kinetic energy is conserved?
No, not if they stick together.
 

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