More articles like Feynman's Value of Science (1955)?

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The discussion centers around the appreciation of science and its philosophical implications, inspired by Richard Feynman's essay "The Value of Science." Participants seek recommendations for similar writings that explore the philosophy of science from a scientific perspective rather than a historical or philosophical one.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses admiration for Feynman's perspective on the intrinsic value of science, suggesting that it is often undervalued compared to art and literature.
  • Another participant mentions a parallel sentiment among professional athletes regarding the appreciation of their craft.
  • A third participant highlights a specific quote from Feynman's essay, emphasizing the idea that scientists may lack insight into non-scientific matters.
  • A suggestion is made to explore Feynman's "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" as a related work.
  • One participant introduces an article by Henri Poincaré, also titled "The Value of Science," noting its thematic similarities and divergences from Feynman's views, particularly regarding the nature of truth and reality.
  • The same participant speculates on Poincaré's philosophical leanings, suggesting possible connections to Hermetic or Masonic ideas based on claims found online.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share an appreciation for the philosophical exploration of science, but there are differing views on the nature of truth and the relationship between science and ethics, as highlighted by the reference to Poincaré's work.

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The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the value of science and its philosophical implications, with some participants drawing connections between different thinkers and their ideas, while others focus on personal experiences and sentiments.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the philosophy of science, the intrinsic value of scientific inquiry, and the connections between science and other fields such as art and ethics.

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I just read Feynman's The Value of Science and really appreciated his perspective. We generally value art, literature, and poetry but if you want to do science for the sake of science people take offense. It takes years to build a foundation before you can appreciate it, so the general public will never understand that it is beautiful and worth doing because of the grand feelings available to you which I think exceeds any other art, and because it is enjoyable for it's own sake. Ditto mathematics.

SO... anyone have more articles or books like this? On a sort of philosophy of science (that isn't what historians or philosophers mean when they write about the philosophy of science)? It can be broader than simply explaining an appreciation about science. I just want scientists writing about science.
 
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I'm told that many pro athletes feel the same way.
 
crashcat said:
I just read Feynman's The Value of Science and really appreciated his perspective. We generally value art, literature, and poetry but if you want to do science for the sake of science people take offense. It takes years to build a foundation before you can appreciate it, so the general public will never understand that it is beautiful and worth doing because of the grand feelings available to you which I think exceeds any other art, and because it is enjoyable for it's own sake.
I hadn't seen this, thanks for posting the link.

I absolutely love this early paragraph:
"I believe that a scientist looking at non-scientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy - and when he talks about a non-scientific matter, he will sound as naive as anyone untrained in the matter. Since the question of the value of science is not a scientific subject, this talk is dedicated to proving my point - by example." - R. P. Feynman

I think he may have succeeded in this talk.
 
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I'm told that many pro athletes feel the same way.
I can believe it. Maybe this is true of any high-skill deep thing.
 
I found an article written by Poincaré in sometime before 1912, literally also called The Value of Science. The first paragraph mirrors Feynman, but then it diverges considerably. He describes how Truth is the only thing that is beautiful, and so the arduous search for it is worthwhile. Also, stuff like how the material world cannot be taken to be real, the only objective reality is the models of the material world shared by intelligent beings. He says that ethics and natural philosophy are two different things with no overlap, and they are both a search for truth. I was thinking this sounds Hermetic/Masonic… and I found a website claiming he was a Freemason. So maybe.

Poincare Value of Science
(scroll past the translator's introduction)
 

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