Does Density Affect Gravity in the Formation of Neutron Stars?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between density and gravity in the context of neutron stars and black holes, particularly focusing on how gravitational forces are affected during the formation of these celestial bodies after a supernova event.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how neutron stars can have a higher gravitational force despite potentially having less mass than the original star, questioning the role of density in gravitational strength.
  • Another participant clarifies that neutron stars do not have stronger gravitational fields in terms of overall gravitational effect; rather, the surface gravity can become very strong due to the reduced radius of the body.
  • A participant notes that escape velocity is also dependent on the distance from the center of the body, which contributes to the characteristics of black holes.
  • There is a request for an equation that describes the relationship between surface gravity and mass, leading to the presentation of the equation A_g = GM/r².

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding gravitational strength and density, but there is agreement on the clarification that surface gravity is influenced by the radius of the body.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of gravitational fields and the effects of mass and radius on gravitational strength, which may not be fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in astrophysics, particularly those studying stellar evolution, neutron stars, and black holes, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

I am a bit confused with how a neutron star or black hole has such a high force of gravity.

As I understand the process of star death of a massive star (I'll use a neutron star for example),

1) the star fuses heavier and heavier elements
2) the core begins to contract
3) this eventually causes a supernova in which the outer envelopes are blown off (star looses mass)
4) the remaining contracted and dense core is supported from further collapse by neutron degenerate pressure
5) this is what is known as a neutron star

Yes, I know this is the simplified version but the thing I don't get is, if the original star looses mass in the supernova explosion (and in theory even if it didn't) why then does the remaining core (neutron star) have a higher gravitational force than the original star did? I thought that gravitational force only was dependent on mass not density. Two objects with the same mass curve spacetime equal amounts regardless of density or...? I don't understand that when a certain mass (in this case a star core) is shrunk into a object with higher density (a neutron star) but still has the same mass (or in this case even less mass)that it's gravitational field becomes stronger just because it is more dense.

Obviously, I have misunderstood something about gravity or star death and if someone could help explain it would be great!

Thanks a lot!
 
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They don't have stronger gravitational fields. For examle, if the Sn were to suddenly collapse into a black hole, the Earth wouldn't notice any difference in gravitational effect.

What does happen is that the radius of the body shrinks to a point where the surface gravity can become very strong, since surface gravity also depends on distance from the center of the body.

Escape velocity also depends on distance from the center of the body. So when a black hole forms, what happens is that the body shrinks to the point that its physical radius is smaller than the distance from its center where the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light for that body's mass. Any light passing that point can't leave again, and any light originating inside these radius could not get out.
 
Ok great, that clears things up then.

One more thing, is there a equation that describes the relationship between an objects "surface gravity" and it's mass?

Thanks again for the help!
 
electerr said:
Ok great, that clears things up then.

One more thing, is there a equation that describes the relationship between an objects "surface gravity" and it's mass?

Thanks again for the help!

A_g = \frac{GM}{r^2}

where Ag is the acceleration due to gravity
G is the universal gravitational constant
M is the mass of the body
r is the radius of the body

For comparison, Ag = 9.8 m/s^2 for the surface of the Earth. Otherwise known as 1g.
 
Perfect!

That helped a lot!

Thanks!
 

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