Musings on waves - possible or already realised?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of waves, particularly in water and their potential applications or theoretical reversibility. Participants explore concepts related to wave generation, resonance in musical instruments, and analogies to quantum mechanics, specifically the behavior of electrons in atoms.

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  • One participant muses about the possibility of reversing the process of circular waves in a pond using a wave generator to make a drop of liquid jump out of the pool.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between water waves and vibrations on a circular membrane, suggesting that waves could be excited from the periphery.
  • A participant mentions the concept of fixed-pitch musical instruments made from circular metal, questioning whether the oscillations would be at a frequency suitable for musical notes.
  • There is a suggestion that the behavior of waves in a pond could be influenced by reflections off the walls, potentially leading to waves converging at the center.

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Participants express various ideas and hypotheses, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of reversing wave processes or the effectiveness of proposed musical instruments. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

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Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the setup of the wave generator or the properties of the materials used in the musical instrument. The discussion includes assumptions about wave behavior that are not fully explored or demonstrated.

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A couple of idle musings but I hope interesting ones:

1. If a drop of water lands in a still pond, circular concentric waves spread out. Is it possible to reverse this process with a large circular wave generator such that the waves converge and meet in the middle, and a drop of liquid jumps out of the pool? Has anyone ever demonstrated this?

2. A guitar string makes a definite pitch because it's constrained by the nut and fret, allowing only waves that divide the string length a whole number of times. Could you make a fixed-pitch musical instrument from circles of metal (similar to the triangle but closed and, obviously, circular)? Would the oscillations of the metal be of a too-high frequency for this to work properly?

The inspiration for the latter is the electron in a hydrogen atom.
 
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Waves on a water surface are a bit like waves on a circular membrane and there is a lot of info about them, This link shows some good animations. The waves could be excited from the periphery which is what you are referring to, I think. Real waves on a pond would be a combination of several of the modes shown, probably.
The analogy of vibrations on a circled of wire to the De Broglie wave of a bound electron is something that A level students are often presented with. This link shows a demonstration of the normal modes of vibration of a wire loop. The demo would have been good if you were actually there but the video is pretty poor. But you can see that happens - with a bit of imagination. Note, the vibrations are transverse in the demo (low speed waves). You could have longitudinal waves too but compression waves are a lot faster and the wavelength would be much longer so you would need a very long wire for a standing wave to be established.
 
 
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Jehannum said:
If a drop of water lands in a still pond, circular concentric waves spread out. Is it possible to reverse this process with a large circular wave generator such that the waves converge and meet in the middle, and a drop of liquid jumps out of the pool? Has anyone ever demonstrated this?
You can try submerging partially filled circular vessels, such that the water overflows the rim simultaneously on all sides. Happens sometimes, when submerging the ladle back into the soup pot.

It can also potentially happen, when you drop something in the center of a circular pool, and then the waves are reflected off the walls, to meet back at the center. In a sense, also right after the object fell in, and the gap it created quickly fills with water from all sides.
 
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