Must solitary wave a product of weakly nonlinear and weakly dispersive?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the Korteweg-de Vries (KdV) equation applies, particularly focusing on the balance of nonlinearity and dispersion in wave propagation. Participants explore whether the KdV equation is limited to weakly nonlinear and weakly dispersive scenarios or if it can also apply to stronger regimes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of weak nonlinearity and dispersion for the KdV equation, suggesting that strong nonlinearity and dispersion could also lead to similar wave behavior.
  • Another participant notes that the classification of effects as "weakly" nonlinear or "weakly" dispersive is primarily a method to simplify the problem, implying that all effects could complicate the analysis.
  • A participant acknowledges that KdV-like equations may exist with stronger nonlinearities than those typically associated with the KdV equation.
  • Further inquiry is made about the perturbation series in the KdV equation, specifically why it begins with a term of O(epsilon) rather than a constant term, indicating confusion over the standard form of perturbation expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the KdV equation is restricted to weakly nonlinear and weakly dispersive cases, with some suggesting that stronger regimes may also be valid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of perturbation series starting from O(epsilon).

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of including all terms in the analysis, suggesting that assumptions about the order of nonlinearity and dispersion may influence the applicability of the KdV equation. There is also uncertainty regarding the standard form of perturbation series in relation to the KdV equation.

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Hi all!
I know that KdV is a balance of the nonlinearity and the dispersive effect and hence the wave profile propagates permenantly without disperse.
However, why one always mention that it is the balance of WEAKLY nonlinear and WEAKLY dispersive?
Can't it be a balance of STRONGLY nonlinear and STRONLY dispersive?
Will the KdV equation still exist if the shallow water parameter and the nonlinear parameter does not tend to zero but just with the same order of magnitude? Nnamely O(d^2) = O(epsilon), yet, not tends to zero.

Can someone kindly help?
 
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Perhaps.
And then again, perhaps not.

Remember that the only reason why we split up problems as "weakly" non-liear, or "weakly" linearly dispersive is in order to justify chopping away some terms so that the remaining image becomes clear and comprehensible.

If all effects should be taken into account, then we are back in a morass of terms and possible outcomes.
 
oh...i see..
That's means weakly nonlinear and weakly linearly dispersive region is not the only region that a KdV balance may occur?
 
From what I know, you may indeed have KdV-like equations with "stronger" non-linearities than of the KdV-type.
 
arildno said:
From what I know, you may indeed have KdV-like equations with "stronger" non-linearities than of the KdV-type.

Thank you arildno.
One more question regarding KdV equation.
I am currently reading an article:
www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jpboyd/op121_boydchennlskdv.pdf
and a paper. (Please see the attached figure)
Both of them assume the perturbation series of the velocity start from O(epsilon), how come?
It is somewhat counter-intuitive to me since we always assume something like
u ~ u0 + eu1+ e^2u2 +... isn't it?
why does this start from eu1 without the constant velocity u0?
Can you please explain?
 

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