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The discussion centers around the definition and properties of Artinian modules, particularly in the context of semisimple rings and direct sums of simple modules. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and seek clarification on proofs related to Artinian properties.

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  • One participant defines an Artinian module as one where every descending chain of submodules terminates and provides a specific case involving semisimple rings and finite direct sums of simple modules.
  • Another participant states that simple modules are trivially Artinian and references a theorem regarding the relationship between Artinian submodules and their quotients.
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My definition of an artianian module is : A module is artinian if every decending chain of submodules terminates.


Let A be a semisimple ring and M an A-module.
If M is a finite direct sum of simple modules then M is artinian.

Proof: Suppose that M= S_1+...+S_n where + denotes direct sum. We prove this by induction on n. For n=1 we have that M is artinian. Assume the result for n-1. Then
$S_1+...+S_{n-1}$ and S_n are artinian modules and so is M.

Can somebody help me with this proof because I don't understand that why is S_n artinian and how we have proved the theorem.
 
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A simple module is trivially artinian.

And there is a theorem that states if a module M has an artinian submodule N such that the quotient M/N is artinian, then M is artinian too.
 


try proving that if both V/W and W are finite dimensional vector spaces then so is V. its the same sort of thing. really prove it with your bare hands, don't just quote some theorem.
 


Thanks morphism and mathwonk.
 

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