Mythology/magical tradition question

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of magical traditions that incorporate body movements in synchrony with natural phenomena. Participants seek examples from folklore or mythology that illustrate this concept, particularly in the context of creating engaging content for a video game or demo. The focus is on gestures and movements rather than broader ritualistic practices.

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  • One participant inquires about magical traditions that involve synchronizing body movements with natural phenomena, providing examples such as a wizard moving hands to match fire patterns.
  • Another participant discusses the legend of witches' broomsticks, attributing the ability to fly to the use of Belladonna, suggesting a physical act leading to a perceived supernatural experience.
  • Some participants propose that fertility rituals may have involved evocative hand movements that align with natural phenomena.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for examples that specifically exploit the concept of synchronicity, detailing a scenario where a wizard observes and then attempts to control natural events through rhythmic actions.
  • One participant suggests looking into Kung Fu and Yogi traditions, noting that while not traditionally classified as magical, they often describe abilities that align with the discussion's themes.
  • Another participant mentions dance enactment, such as the Haka, but acknowledges that it may not fit the specific requirements of small, gesture-based movements for the game demo.
  • Further contributions highlight the concept of mudras, or hand postures, as a potential source of inspiration, linking specific fingers to elements and energy flow.
  • Some participants question whether the examples need to be strictly from mythology, indicating a desire for flexibility in sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and examples, but there is no consensus on specific traditions or practices that meet the criteria outlined. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact nature of the magical traditions being sought, and there are limitations regarding the specificity of examples that align with the desired synchronicity concept.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to game developers, folklore enthusiasts, and those exploring the intersection of cultural practices with technology and interactive media.

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Anybody knows some magical tradition that uses body movements synchronous with some natural phenomena?

Something like the following example: randomly moving fire, a 'wizard' starts moving his hands to match the fire movement patterns, some time passes, fire starts moving matching the 'wizard' hands movement patterns. Along these lines... Preferably based on some real life traditions/myths, but well known fantasy would do too. That's for video game / demo trivia. Thanks!
 
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I am not sure it will help but I will try. The legend of a witches' broomstick being able to make them fly around has been atributed to the practice of putting a Belladonna consentrate on to a cloth wraped around a stick. The consentrate contained many anticholinerigic compounds. The witches would strattle the stick and the soaked cloth between their legs. The chemicals would be absorbed through vaginal tissue. That is the most technical I feel like being. The anticholinergic effects of the ingredients would lead the witch to feel like she (or he ) was flying. This is the best example of a physical act having a "supernatural" consequence. I have been called a junkie for less but o whell. I hope some how this helps you on us humans starange practices.
 
I'm sure many fertility rituals were VERY evocative of the "natural phenomenon", for example, hand movements..
 
kgbgru said:
I am not sure it will help but I will try. The legend of a witches' broomstick being able to make them fly around has been atributed to the practice of putting a Belladonna consentrate on to a cloth wraped around a stick. The consentrate contained many anticholinerigic compounds. The witches would strattle the stick and the soaked cloth between their legs. The chemicals would be absorbed through vaginal tissue. That is the most technical I feel like being. The anticholinergic effects of the ingredients would lead the witch to feel like she (or he ) was flying. This is the best example of a physical act having a "supernatural" consequence. I have been called a junkie for less but o whell. I hope some how this helps you on us humans starange practices.

Uh, that's not exactly what I'm looking for. What I'm trying to find is some folklore that exploits a kind of synchronicity concept. Specifically a kind that uses the following idea:
1) Given: more or less random natural phenomena;
2) Wizard: doing (or even observing) some actions in sync with the phenomena;
3) Wizard: doing the same action to control (cause) the phenomena.

I've given an example with fire in the previous post. Another example:
1) Phenomena: thunderstorm/rain;
2) Wizard: observes noise (thunder, associates it with the rain);
3) Wizard: beats drum to cause the rain.

Voodoo comes to mind, but it is a bit generic and have strong associations with voodoo dolls, so that's not it. I'd prefer something more associated with body movements / sounds, etc. Some eastern stuff with Tai-chi-like movements would be the best. Or some ritual magic. Any obscure folklore/fantasy with deep roots. I'm pretty sure there should be something.
 
I would look into the Kung Fu and Yogi traditions.
While not traditionally classified as 'Magical', the descriptions of what a true master it supposed to be able to do frequently fits into those catagories.

Some of the shaman type traditions might fit also.
Totems and such.
 
Hmm... Dance enactment? Interesting. The trouble is it wouldn't fit into the game demo implementation. I need something small, more like hand movements - gestures.

Again, that's for a game demo trivia. To give you better idea onto what I'm trying to do - currently I have a kind of simplified game prototype: web camera as an input device and ability to learn/classify two gestures. Neat part is that gestures are not hard coded. User can make any well defined gesture, only requirement - do it in rhythm (following) a randomly displayed picture. At some point (when a certain coincidence confidence level is achieved) the gesture gets learned and the user gets control over the random process. IMHO that's pretty cool. From the nerdy perspective that is.

Now the task is to make the game more interesting. That's why I'm searching for cool ideas in some obscure magical traditions :) Some supercool stuff like the following:
Rituals - Mudras: Graceful gestures. by Dipankar Das.
One of his favorite subjects is the science of mudras. Emphasizing on hasta mudras (hand postures), the Acharya says there is a tremendous flow of energy in our hands and each finger represents one of the five elements—the thumb is agni (fire), the forefinger is vayu (air), the middle finger is akash (ether), the ring finger is prithvi (earth) and the little finger is jal (water).
 
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Do they have to be from mythology?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gestures"
 
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Borg said:
Do they have to be from mythology?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gestures"

Yes. The reason for that is that I think it could be pretty cool to find some obscure ritual magic tradition and actually make it work in a game demo. That's sort of the whole point, aside from exploring machine learning algorithms (HMAX/HTM/HHMM/etc).
 
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