Naked eye view from intergalactic space

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The discussion explores the visual experience of an observer located in intergalactic space, specifically halfway between the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies. Participants consider what celestial objects would be visible to the naked eye, the appearance of the Milky Way and Andromeda, and the overall darkness of the surrounding space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Andromeda galaxy as a small fuzzy nebulous blob, suggesting that from halfway to Andromeda, it would appear as a larger fuzzy blob.
  • Another participant agrees with this description and references the Cosmological Principle, implying that the visual experience would be consistent with expectations from cosmology.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that with good eyesight, a couple of nearby galaxies, such as M81 and M82, might be visible under optimal conditions, although the overall view would be mostly black.
  • One participant notes that the apparent size of Andromeda would be four times larger from halfway than from Earth.
  • A comment raises a philosophical question about the implications of local variations in physical laws on the existence of extraterrestrial life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limited visibility of galaxies and the predominance of darkness, but there are varying opinions on the specifics of what would be seen and the implications of the Cosmological Principle.

Contextual Notes

Participants express assumptions about visibility conditions, such as the necessity of dark skies and good eyesight, which may affect the observations discussed.

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If one were located in intergalactic space, say halfway between the Milky Way and Andromeda, what would space look like to the naked eye?

Would we see a relatively small number of galaxies and otherwise mostly just darkness? From that position would the Milky Way and Andromeda have any semblance of their spiral shapes to us (again to the naked eye), or would they appear like stars or perhaps nebulae at best?

Just trying to visualize -- thanks for any insights.

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Frankiewicz said:
If one were located in intergalactic space, say halfway between the Milky Way and Andromeda, what would space look like to the naked eye?

Would we see a relatively small number of galaxies and otherwise mostly just darkness? From that position would the Milky Way and Andromeda have any semblance of their spiral shapes to us (again to the naked eye), or would they appear like stars or perhaps nebulae at best?

Just trying to visualize -- thanks for any insights.

F

You know what the Andromeda galaxy looks like to the naked eye from here? In my experience it's a small fuzzy nebulous blob, which appears a bit more extended if the sky is very dark.

I'd guess that if you were half way there, it would basically be a fuzzy blob of twice the angular diameter, and looking back the Milky Way would be similar. I don't think much else would be visible at all; perhaps one or two satellite galaxies.
 
Frankiewicz, Welcome to Physics Forums!

I agree with Jonathan Scott's description of what you would see. This brings to mind “The Cosmological Principle” which we expect would apply everywhere in the universe.

“The cosmological principle is usually stated formally as 'Viewed on a sufficiently large scale, the properties of the Universe are the same for all observers.' This amounts to the strongly philosophical statement that the part of the Universe which we can see is a fair sample, and that the same physical laws apply throughout. In essence, this in a sense says that the Universe is knowable and is playing fair with scientists.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_principle
 
If you had good eyesight you'd probably be able to make out a couple other nearby galaxies, given the lack of ambient lighting. M81 and M82 are the first ones that come to mind, since with a good trained eye, one can make apparently make them out with a good knowledge of the sky and perfect viewing conditions.

So, it would be mostly black.

And @ Bobbywhy

Wouldn't it be a cruel joke by existence if our laws of physics were local and changed slightly throughout the universe and ~that~ was the reason we've not been contacted by extra terrestrials?
 
At half the distance, the apparent size of Andromeda would be 4x larger than from earth.
 

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