Naming convention for "Functional Variance"?

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The discussion centers around the concept of "functional variance" for continuous functions, specifically whether this term exists and its relevance in literature. Participants explore the definitions of functional mean and variance, and their implications in mathematical proofs and applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose a definition for the mean of a function over an interval, expressed as $$\mu[f] = \frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^bf(x)\,dx$$.
  • Others question the term "functional mean," noting it is not widely recognized or referenced in common literature.
  • There is a suggestion that the corresponding concept of "functional variance" could be defined similarly as $$\frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^b(f(x)-\mu[f])^2\,dx$$.
  • One participant shares calculations for the function $$f(x)=x^2$$ over different intervals, yielding specific mean and variance values, and questions the significance of the variance result.
  • Another participant challenges the accuracy of the variance calculation for the interval $$[-1,1]$$ and expresses confusion over the implications of the variance value.
  • One participant equates the variance of a function to the variance of a random variable, suggesting it measures dispersion around the mean.

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Participants generally do not agree on the terminology of "functional mean" and "functional variance," with some expressing skepticism about their recognition in literature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the established terminology and significance of the variance in this context.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms, the accuracy of mathematical calculations, and the implications of variance in different contexts. Some assumptions about the applicability of these concepts to functions versus random variables remain unaddressed.

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naming convention for "functional variance"
For a continuous function f:[a,b]-->R there is a well-known notion of "functional mean"
$$
\mu[f] = \frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^bf(x)\,dx.
$$
I am wondering if there is a name for the corresponding notion of "functional variance", i.e. the quantity
$$
\frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^b(f(x)-\mu[f])^2\,dx.
$$
?? Thanks. Also, does this quantity play a role somewhere in the literature? I'm writing a paper that involves this thing but google is very useless at answering my question since it just spits out pages upon pages about the variance of a continuous random variable.
 
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quasar987 said:
For a continuous function f:[a,b]-->R there is a well-known notion of "functional mean"
Is there? I have never heard of the term "functional mean" and it is not used in the Wikipedia page you linked.
 
However we define the mean of a (suitable) function ## f ## in the interval ## [a, b] ## as
$$
\mu[f] = \frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^bf(x)\,dx.
$$
And we can similarly define the variance of a (suitable) function ## f ## in the interval ## [a, b] ## as
$$
\frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^b(f(x)-\mu[f])^2\,dx.
$$
 
pbuk said:
Is there? I have never heard of the term "functional mean" and it is not used in the Wikipedia page you linked.
I'm not saying the term "functional mean" is well known, but that the concept of the mean of a function is well known. And I am curious if the corresponding concept of "functional variance" (aka variance of a function) appears somewhere in the literature.
 
I was curious and calculated @pbuk's formulas for ##f(x)=x^2## on ##[0,1]## and ##[-1.1]##. This resulted in ##\mu[f]=1/3\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=4/45\approx 9\%## in the first case and ##\mu[f]=0\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=0## in the second.

I can see why the mean is meaningful and a valuable quantity in proofs for approximations, but what should that ##9\%## be good for?
 
fresh_42 said:
I was curious and calculated @pbuk's formulas for ##f(x)=x^2## on ##[0,1]## and ##[-1.1]##. This resulted in ##\mu[f]=1/3\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=4/45\approx 9\%## in the first case and ##\mu[f]=0\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=0## in the second.
I think you should check your results for ##[-1,1]##.
fresh_42 said:
I can see why the mean is meaningful and a valuable quantity in proofs for approximations, but what should that ##9\%## be good for?
Yes, I also wonder that. @quasar987?
 
fresh_42 said:
I was curious and calculated @pbuk's formulas for ##f(x)=x^2## on ##[0,1]## and ##[-1.1]##. This resulted in ##\mu[f]=1/3\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=4/45\approx 9\%## in the first case and ##\mu[f]=0\, , \,\sigma [x^2]=0## in the second.

I can see why the mean is meaningful and a valuable quantity in proofs for approximations, but what should that ##9\%## be good for?
Are you saying the area under the curve of the positive function $f(x)=x^2$ is 0?

I assign to the variance of a function $f$ the same meaning that Var[X] hold for a random variable X; it is a measure of dispersion: small variance means f tends to sheepishly sticks close to its mean µ[f] whereas large variance means f likes to venture away from its mean.
 
pbuk said:
I think you should check your results for ##[-1,1]##.
I hate odd numbers of sign errors. Thanks.
 

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