Need a fact check on the end of the world

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The discussion revolves around speculative scenarios for a fictional story involving the end of the world, particularly focusing on the star Betelgeuse and its potential impact on Earth. Participants explore various astronomical events that could align Betelgeuse's position with Earth, including black holes, gamma-ray bursts, and supernovae, while also considering the plausibility of these scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a black hole passing near Betelgeuse could alter its position, but expresses skepticism about the feasibility of such an event producing sufficient torque on the star.
  • Another participant proposes that a gamma-ray burst or quasar could be damaging if close enough, referencing external sources for context.
  • Concerns are raised about the believability of altering Betelgeuse's position, with one participant indicating that they may need to reconsider their approach if such adjustments are unlikely.
  • Discussion includes the nature of supernovae, with one participant noting that Betelgeuse is likely to be a type IIP supernova and explaining that supernovae explode in all directions, which may not be catastrophic for Earth.
  • Another participant mentions that relativistic jets, which could cause significant damage, are typically associated with hypernovas, suggesting that Betelgeuse may not be capable of producing such jets.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a scenario that would cause extreme damage to the ozone layer, seeking alternatives to common asteroid-related plots.
  • A humorous suggestion is made about a government intervention for global warming based on flawed science that inadvertently damages the ozone layer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the plausibility of various astronomical events affecting Betelgeuse and their potential consequences for Earth. There is no consensus on a specific scenario, and multiple competing ideas are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their speculative scenarios, including the difficulty of aligning Betelgeuse's position with Earth and the nature of supernovae. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the effects of different astronomical phenomena.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers and creators interested in speculative fiction involving astronomical events and their potential impacts on Earth may find this discussion relevant.

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I am collecting facts for an story featuring the end of the world. In this Story Betelgeuse is the culprit. I know currently its poles are not lined up with Earth so I need to describe an event that would alter its position so that when it goes, Earth is in the line of fire.

Would a black hole passing near Betelgeuse work? Would such an event be difficult for Astronomers to detect until it was too late?

If the poles were aligned with Earth and the start went off , when Earth was hit with the radiation burst, how long would it take to sterilize the planet and how long would it take for vegetation and animal life to recover?

thanks for the help.
 
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DHF said:
I know currently its poles are not lined up with Earth so I need to describe an event that would alter its position so that when it goes, Earth is in the line of fire.

Would a black hole passing near Betelgeuse work?
This is just an intuition, for what it's worth, but I find it hard to see how such an encounter (or any other process) could produce sufficient torque on what is essentially a rotating fluid sphere, with huge moment of inertia.
 
Bandersnatch said:
This is just an intuition, for what it's worth, but I find it hard to see how such an encounter (or any other process) could produce sufficient torque on what is essentially a rotating fluid sphere, with huge moment of inertia.
Ok good to know, so low in the believability department. I wanted something plausible, I didn't pick a random Super nova because I figured any star big enough to explode and yet be close enough to do us damage, we would know about it by now. I thought Betelgeuse might work because its close and could go off in the near future, but if its unlikely that anything can adjust its position, then I am back to the drawing board.
 
DHF said:
Ok good to know, so low in the believability department. I wanted something plausible, I didn't pick a random Super nova because I figured any star big enough to explode and yet be close enough to do us damage, we would know about it by now. I thought Betelgeuse might work because its close and could go off in the near future, but if its unlikely that anything can adjust its position, then I am back to the drawing board.

A collision can change rotation. But you do not need it.

A supernova explodes in all directions. It is not perfectly spherical but close enough. Betelgeuse is likely to be a type IIP supernova.

A white dwarf binary can collide with some other star. Or some binary can collide with a solitary white dwarf. One of the objects fly away and the white dwarf can pick up mass. One or two of the objects involved can be dim enough to be out of sight from earth. An old white dwarf can be fairly dim. When a white dwarf reaches 1.4 solar masses it explodes.

The odds of a direct impact are quite low. You can probably get away with that in fiction.
 
stefan r said:
A supernova explodes in all directions. It is not perfectly spherical but close enough. Betelgeuse is likely to be a type IIP supernova.

I think DHF wants a relativistic jet. A supernova at that distance may push the heliosphere back pretty far, but it's unlikely to eradicate the biosphere of Earth. Relativistic jets only come out of hypernovas that create black holes and Betelgeuse just doesn't seem big enough for that. According to Wikipedia: "Betelgeuse is not likely to produce a gamma-ray burst and is not close enough for its x-rays, ultraviolet radiation, or ejected material to cause significant effects on Earth." There is a more scientific source attached to that sentence.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
I think DHF wants a relativistic jet. A supernova at that distance may push the heliosphere back pretty far, but it's unlikely to eradicate the biosphere of Earth. Relativistic jets only come out of hypernovas that create black holes and Betelgeuse just doesn't seem big enough for that. According to Wikipedia: "Betelgeuse is not likely to produce a gamma-ray burst and is not close enough for its x-rays, ultraviolet radiation, or ejected material to cause significant effects on Earth." There is a more scientific source attached to that sentence.

Thank you, you are correct in that is what I was looking for, I need something that would cause extreme damage to the ozone layer. I am looking for a culprit for a mass extinction. I wanted to avoid asteroids because they seem the go to for all all end of the world plots.
 
How about a government intervention for global warming based on bad science that actually damages the ozone layer instead? You could blame the bad science on budget cuts preventing adequate testing.
 

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