Need Aid On This Problem Set (Combinations of Month Numbers in 10 Years)

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The problem involves selecting month numbers from a set of 1 to 12 over a span of 10 years, with the requirement that exactly eight numbers must be chosen such that their sum equals 49. The original poster seeks clarification on the wording of the problem and the mathematical approach to find the combinations that meet these criteria.

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  • Participants discuss the clarity of the problem's constraints, particularly the phrase "Within the exact time frame of 10 years," and its relevance to the selection of month numbers. There are questions about how the year impacts the selection process and the meaning of combinations in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing confusion over the problem's wording and others suggesting that a clearer formulation would be beneficial. There is a recognition that the original poster may have found a solution using a SUM calculator, but the specifics of the problem remain somewhat ambiguous.

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Some participants note that the original phrasing may have led to misunderstandings, suggesting that the problem could be more straightforwardly stated without the time frame constraint. The mention of "Stars and Bars" indicates a mathematical approach being considered, though it is not universally agreed upon.

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TL;DR Summary: Eight Exact To Get 49

Please advise if I am wording this problem correctly and what are the solution (is there some equation for combinations )/ Answers:SET of numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 months of the year.

Within the exact time frame of 10 years I MUST choose a number of the month each year that when combined with other months (their number placement in the calendar) over those ten years in total add up to 49.

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Constraints:
I must to use exactly eight of the above numbers when added together produce the number 49 over those ten years

Numbers can be used over (repeated) but MUST be eight in total over those ten years.

Questions:

1) How many combinations are there that will equal 49
2) What are those number combinations of eight numbers when added together that equal 49? over those ten years.
---------------------------I'm looking for how many combinations there are

Example:

10,7,5,7,7,4,1,8 ----- these eight when added get 49

10,9,8,7,6,5,3,1 also adds up to 49
 
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You could write a computer programme to calculate this?
 
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BBBOB said:
Please advise if I am wording this problem correctly
No you are not: the constraint "Within the exact time frame of 10 years" is not explained.
 
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PeroK said:
You could write a computer programme to calculate this?
In British English a "computer programme" would be something you watch on television about computers, in the same way as The Sky at Night is an "astronomy programme". When you programme a computer, you write a computer program.
 
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I'm not skeptical, I'm sceptical!
 
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BBBOB said:
Within the exact time frame of 10 years I MUST choose a number of the month each year that when combined with other months (their number placement in the calendar) over those ten years in total add up to 49.
What does this mean?
BBBOB said:
Example:
10,7,5,7,7,4,1,8 ----- these eight when added get 49
10,9,8,7,6,5,3,1 also adds up to 49
What do these examples have to do with "the exact time frame of 10 years"?
pbuk said:
No you are not: the constraint "Within the exact time frame of 10 years" is not explained.
I agree. As stated, the problem doesn't make sense.
 
pbuk said:
No you are not: the constraint "Within the exact time frame of 10 years" is not explained.
Yes, this is very confusing. How is month 8 of one year different from month 8 of another year? What does the year have to do with anything in the problem?
 
Respectfully disagree with Mark44 and pbuk. The term "combinations" suggests that e.g. 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 will suffice for one partition of 49. The term "10 years" suggests that these numbers, in that order, must be entered in 10 slots or less. That says the finite sequence mentioned can be entered in any of 10C2 = 45 ways. You guys are far above me mathematically; but I'm on another board, where ill-posed problems are par for the course. Thanks for the chance to comment!
 
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Let's wait and see if @BBBOB comes back to clarify this problem.
 
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Ben2 said:
Respectfully disagree with Mark44 and pbuk. The term "combinations" suggests that e.g. 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 will suffice for one partition of 49. The term "10 years" suggests that these numbers, in that order, must be entered in 10 slots or less. That says the finite sequence mentioned can be entered in any of 10C2 = 45 ways. You guys are far above me mathematically; but I'm on another board, where ill-posed problems are par for the course. Thanks for the chance to comment!

The 8 in total over 10 years makes no sense though. Why not just 8 years?
 
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Sorry for the confusion and its mu wording but i was able to use a SUM calculator to get all the combinations that I needed. So this was solved! Thank You Bob
 
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BBBOB said:
Sorry for the confusion and its mu wording but i was able to use a SUM calculator to get all the combinations that I needed. So this was solved! Thank You Bob
What exactly was the problem you were trying to solve?
 
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Mark44 said:
What exactly was the problem you were trying to solve?
Trying to see what combinations in only eight digit places add up to 49. Project Im working on. but I have another question which I will post related to such. Thanks! Bob
 
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BBBOB said:
Trying to see what combinations in only eight digit places add up to 49. Project Im working on. but I have another question which I will post related to such. Thanks! Bob
It would have been helpful and less confusing if you had included this in your original post. The business about "Within the exact time frame of 10 years" was a red herring that confused most of the people replying.

A clearer problem description might be something like this:

Using the numbers 1, 2, 3, ..., 12, how many combinations of exactly eight of these numbers add up to 49? A combination can include repeats of these numbers.​

If you want to get good answers, it helps to ask a good questions.
 
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Point taken, you are so right. In math how you word it is crucial! Thank you again!
 
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This seems like your standard "Stars and Bars " problem,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_and_bars_(combinatorics)
if I understood it correctly.
##x_1 +x_2 +....+x_k= n; x_i \geq 0 ##* The answer, with ## x_i >0 ## for the count (**)
is ## C_{n-1,k-1} ## ("## n-1 ##choose ##k-1##"), though it won't exclude ##x_i >12##
Here, ##C_{49-1, 4-1}=C_{48,3}=17,296 ##

* There's a version that requires ## x_i >0 ##t
** Or the countess, to be inclusive ;)
 
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Very good thank you all for your input!
 
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