Negative Exponent Explained: 300 cm-1 Meaning

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of negative exponents in scientific notation, specifically focusing on the term "300 cm-1" and its implications in the context of wavenumbers and atomic vibrations. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation related to physics and chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the meaning of "300 cm-1" and its representation.
  • Another participant asserts that "300 cm-1" is equivalent to \frac{1}{cm}, drawing a parallel to other units like "3 m s^{-1}".
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the use of "3000 cm-1" as a distance measurement between atoms.
  • Another participant clarifies that "3000 cm-1" refers to the difference in frequency of radiation emitted by vibrational modes, not a physical distance.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of wavenumber, explaining that it is related to the energy of vibrations, with higher wavenumbers indicating higher energy.
  • Some participants share links to external resources, such as Wikipedia, to provide additional context on wavenumbers and their significance.
  • One participant acknowledges their lack of familiarity with the topic, expressing gratitude for the clarification provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that "cm-1" relates to wavenumbers and not physical distances, but there remains some confusion about the implications and significance of wavenumbers in the context of atomic vibrations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the importance of wavenumbers and the specific applications in quantum physics that some participants express uncertainty about.

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I've seen the use of a negative exponent in the books and articles I've been reading lately, and I was wondering exactly what it meant. Such as 300 cm-1, where cm has a -1 as the exponent. (Dont know how to type that out.) What does it mean?
 
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It means the same thing as \frac{1}{cm}. For instance, 3m s^{-1} means the same thing as 3\frac{m}{s}
 
Hrmm. I just read something where the distance between two atoms was 3000 cm-1. Surely that can't be 3000 over 1?
 
That can't be right for a distance. Can you give the exact sentence?
 
Sure, here it is.

"Since both rotational and vibrational motions are simultaneously occurring in the diatomic, the energy level scheme for two adjacent vibration levels (spaced, say, 3000 cm-1 apart) where ca. 10 cm-1 in the two states, would be as shown in Fig. 1."

From the article here: http://www.chem.ufl.edu/~itl/4411L_f00/hcl/hcl_il.html

Edit: Copy and Pasting didn't keep the exponents like they were in the article, as they now look like I typed it out.
 
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Ok, it's not a measurement of the physical distance between atoms, it's a measure of the difference in frequency between the radiation emitted by two modes of vibration of the pair of atoms. This measurement is called the "wavenumber":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavenumber
The higher the wavenumber, the higher the energy of the vibration.
 
Ah, ok. That makes perfect sense now. I've been reading some things on quantum physics and such, and I had never seen that before. Thanks!
 
Drakkith said:
Sure, here it is.

"Since both rotational and vibrational motions are simultaneously occurring in the diatomic, the energy level scheme for two adjacent vibration levels (spaced, say, 3000 cm-1 apart) where ca. 10 cm-1 in the two states, would be as shown in Fig. 1."

From the article here: http://www.chem.ufl.edu/~itl/4411L_f00/hcl/hcl_il.html

Edit: Copy and Pasting didn't keep the exponents like they were in the article, as they now look like I typed it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavenumber

It's used for the wavenumber, which is proportional to the reciprocal of the wavelength (which is measured in cm). Why wavenumbers are important isn't a question I could answer. I forgot a lot of physics. =(

Euler beat me!
 
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gb7nash said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavenumber

It's used for the wavenumber, which is proportional to the reciprocal of the wavelength (which is measured in cm). Why wavenumbers are important isn't a question I could answer. I forgot a lot of physics. =(

Euler beat me!

Thanks to you too nash. =)
 

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