Neuron parts identification question

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The discussion revolves around the identification of neuron parts as observed in a video, likely captured through a phase contrast or differential interference contrast microscope. Participants explore the visual characteristics of the neuron, including the movement of vesicles and the structure of neurites, while addressing the challenges of interpreting cell culture images.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the bright moving structures as vesicles being transported along microtubules by protein motors, while others express uncertainty about the identification of these structures as axons or dendrites.
  • There is a suggestion that the bright areas in the video may be due to phase positive interference, but the exact nature of the structures remains unclear.
  • Some participants question whether the bright spots observed are nuclei, noting that if they are, it would imply the presence of many small cells.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of phase contrast microscopy in accurately identifying cellular components, particularly without the use of specific dyes.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the concepts of protein motors and actin, indicating a gap in understanding the biological mechanisms involved.
  • There is a discussion about tracing the origin of the video, with some participants successfully identifying it and others reflecting on the tone of the description provided in the video's source.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the identification of the bright structures or the implications of their observations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the video and the biological significance of the observed phenomena.

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Limitations include the potential inaccuracies in cell culture representation, the ambiguity of visual markers due to the microscopy technique used, and the unresolved nature of the biological interpretations presented.

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Readers interested in cellular biology, microscopy techniques, and the dynamics of neuronal structures may find this discussion relevant.

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It is a view through either a phase contrast or maybe a differential interference contrast microscope.
The bright areas are "phase positive" where the interference is positive (making it very bright) rather than negative (darker than background).

This is a cell culture so it is not easy to tell if the "string-looking-like parts" are axons (outgoing signal path from the neuron) or dendrites (incoming signal path). They are usually called neurites in cultured cells. Cultured cells are usually grown on a flat surface, which makes it easy to visualize all their parts at one time.
It is a time-lapse movie which is why things are moving fast.

I am guessing they are some kind of vesicles (membrane enclosed structures).
They are moving fast because they are being "transported" probably along microtubules (pulled by little protein motors that latch on to the vesicle and move along the microtubule).
Can't tell what their contents are, but that might have something to do with their brightness (due to how they interact with the light). Cells in culture are not always "normal" or an obvious member of a well defined cell type.

The cell bodies (third paragraph) would usually be at the center of an array of neurites. Flat grey areas at the distal end of neurites are growth cones which put out a lot of small fine processes that "sense" their local environment and direct which way the neurite will be further extended. Growth cones and their fine processes contain a lot of actin. Actin can also move things around, but not so much in the neurites.
 
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Points of electrical activity?
 
Fervent Freyja said:
Points of electrical activity?

Probably not.
Here and here are a couple of examples of electrical activity in neurons that is visualized with voltage sensitive dyes.
The first one also shows two traces, one of the light intensity and the other an electrode measured voltage potential, but it does not indicate where in the picture the electrode is.
 
BillTre said:
Probably not.
Here and here are a couple of examples of electrical activity in neurons that is visualized with voltage sensitive dyes.
The first one also shows two traces, one of the light intensity and the other an electrode measured voltage potential, but it does not indicate where in the picture the electrode is.

Phase contrast, you were right.
 
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BillTre said:
It is a view through either a phase contrast or maybe a differential interference contrast microscope.
The bright areas are "phase positive" where the interference is positive (making it very bright) rather than negative (darker than background).

This is a cell culture so it is not easy to tell if the "string-looking-like parts" are axons (outgoing signal path from the neuron) or dendrites (incoming signal path). They are usually called neurites in cultured cells. Cultured cells are usually grown on a flat surface, which makes it easy to visualize all their parts at one time.
It is a time-lapse movie which is why things are moving fast.

I am guessing they are some kind of vesicles (membrane enclosed structures).
They are moving fast because they are being "transported" probably along microtubules (pulled by little protein motors that latch on to the vesicle and move along the microtubule).
Can't tell what their contents are, but that might have something to do with their brightness (due to how they interact with the light). Cells in culture are not always "normal" or an obvious member of a well defined cell type.

The cell bodies (third paragraph) would usually be at the center of an array of neurites. Flat grey areas at the distal end of neurites are growth cones which put out a lot of small fine processes that "sense" their local environment and direct which way the neurite will be further extended. Growth cones and their fine processes contain a lot of actin. Actin can also move things around, but not so much in the neurites.
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I guess this question was too advanced for me :sorry:. But there's an answer I hope others can understand.

What I understood:
  • Neurons have two different physical paths: one for incoming traffic and one for outgoing traffic.
  • There are sacks called vesicles. That is the little rounded thing containing the little glowing things in the image.
  • Because this is a culture, it may not represent reality accurately.
What I didn't understood:
  • Protein motors?
  • Actin? I looked at the Wikipedia article, but this is... this is too advanced.
 
Psinter said:
Protein motors

There are many kinds of protein motors.
They are encoded by genes and act as nanomachines that can move around in some way. They provide the physical motive forces in cells.
Protein motors, in this case dynenin, move along the microtubules (which act like railroad tracks), dragging the vesicles along with them.
Actin forms filaments in muscle, which myosin also moves along. This is what powers muscle contraction. There are of actin and myosin any varieties in vertebrates which are turned on in different cells and do additional other things.
 
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Did anyone ever trace this video back to the originators or source of publication? I didn't find them when I tried.
 
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Fervent Freyja said:
Did anyone ever trace this video back to the originators or source of publication? I didn't find them when I tried.
What video?
 
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Psinter said:
What video?

That the OP is questioning.
 
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The original video is a pretty standard looking thing.
There are many equivalent videos to that.
 
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Fervent Freyja said:
That the OP is questioning.
Oh. That video. Lemme check... Loading...

Aha, found it! If you hadn't asked I wouldn't have thought about tracing its origins. It's:

In the description of the video is a description that says that the bright spot is a nucleus. Now I'm glad I asked this question :biggrin:. I mean, it didn't cross my mind to look for the original. Thanks.

Edit: Although the video description is not using a certain tone. I felt the tone of the description like that of someone assuming. That's my perception.
 
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If all those bright spots are nuclei there would have to be a lot of small cells around.
Guess its possible.
 
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BillTre said:
If all those bright spots are nuclei they would have to be a lot of small cells around.
Guess its possible.

Since phase contrast was used, I'm not sure if we could even visually pinloint what was nuclei or not! It would be different if the visual markers of "bright spots" had been altered with dyes to begin with, but I'm not sure after realizing it was phase constrast. Finding the original study and the methods used other than phase constrast might clue us on to what is happening in the video!
 
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There is an impression of dyes being used, to me at least.
 

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