Neutron Star Paradox: Understanding Coulomb & Gravitational Forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interactions between gravitational and Coulomb forces in neutron stars, exploring the implications of these forces on the structure and composition of such stars. Participants examine the transition from ordinary matter to neutron-rich matter and the role of degeneracy pressure in supporting neutron stars against gravitational collapse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the gravitational force exceeds the Coulomb force in a neutron star, electrons would be forced into the nucleus, leaving alpha particles behind, although this phenomenon is not observed.
  • Another participant argues that electrons merge with protons to form neutrons, leading to a star composed entirely of neutrons, supported by neutron degeneracy pressure until gravity overcomes this pressure.
  • A different perspective is presented regarding the formation of neutron stars, explaining that when electrons are forced into the nucleus, they create neutrons, and the process involves neutrinos escaping during the reaction.
  • One participant elaborates on white dwarfs as a precursor to neutron stars, noting that in white dwarfs, the gravitational force already overcomes the Coulomb force, allowing electrons to move freely and be supported by electron degeneracy pressure.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the responses, indicating that they have been pondering these concepts for some time.
  • A later post introduces the topic of extremely strong magnetic fields associated with neutron stars, suggesting a further layer of complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the processes occurring in neutron stars and the roles of gravitational and Coulomb forces. The discussion remains unresolved with differing interpretations of the phenomena involved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of forces and may involve unresolved assumptions about the conditions in neutron stars and white dwarfs. The discussion also touches on the complexities of particle interactions under extreme conditions without reaching consensus on all points.

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For instance let's take that a neutron star mass is so high that the gravitational force is more than the coulumb force. If this happens then then the electrons will go down and alpha particle will be left . This is not observed in the star so how will the particle stay normal

By the way I am thirteen years so please correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Sadly, the electrons will merge with the protons to create neutrons and thus the whole star becomes composed of neutrons. Neutron degeneracy pressure keeps it from collapsing further until of course, it becomes more massive such that gravity overcomes the degeneracy.

Degeneracy pressure is like two magnets repelling against one another. Neutrons do the same thing ie no two fermions can occupy the same space at the same time.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy
 
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Attu said:
If this happens then then the electrons will go down and alpha particle will be left .
A helium atom is a nucleus consisting of two neutrons and two protons, with two electrons outside. When an electron is forced into the nucleus we get the reaction ##e+p\rightarrow n+\nu## and the neutino flies away leaving a neutron behind.

When both electrons are forced into the nucleus (two neutrons and two protons) we end up with four neutrons, and that's how neutron stars are formed.
 
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Attu said:
let's take that a neutron star mass is so high that the gravitational force is more than the coulumb force.

It might help to realize that, even before we get to neutron stars, we have white dwarfs, in which the ordinary structure of atoms is already broken down, so in that sense the "gravitational force" (gravity is not really a force in General Relativity, but we don't need to go into all that for this particular topic) already overwhelms the Coulomb force in white dwarfs, which are far less dense and typically less massive than neutron stars. In white dwarfs, the electrons are free to move without being bound to particular nuclei, and the white dwarf is supported against its own gravity by the degeneracy pressure of the electrons.

The difference in neutron stars is that the pressure required to support them against their own gravity is so large (about a million times larger than in white dwarfs) that electron degeneracy pressure is not sufficient, so the electrons get forced into the nuclei by the weight of the star, with electrons and protons combining to form neutrons. Then the star is held up by neutron degeneracy pressure, which is capable, at neutron star densities, of doing the job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf
 
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Thanks for answering bi had this doubt for a long time
 
Attu said:
Thanks for answering

You're welcome!
 
Attu said:
Neutron star paradox. . .
Here's a subtype that's. . . even more weird . . 😕

These magnetic fields are a hundred million times stronger than any man-made magnet,
and quadrillions of times more powerful than the field surrounding Earth.
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