NH Modified Helmholtz Equation with Robin Boundary Condition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a non-homogeneous modified Helmholtz equation in cylindrical coordinates, specifically under a Robin boundary condition. The context includes applications in biomedical imaging and the challenges associated with using Green's function methods in this setting.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the modified Helmholtz equation and the associated Robin boundary condition, emphasizing the difficulty of finding a solution in cylindrical coordinates.
  • Another participant notes that the problem is simpler in Cartesian coordinates, where the Robin boundary condition is applied at z=0.
  • There is a clarification regarding the diffusion constant, which is denoted as D in the equation.
  • Some participants discuss the challenges of applying Green's function methods, particularly in relation to the Robin boundary condition and the complexity introduced by the normal vector.
  • One participant suggests that solving the problem in Cartesian coordinates might not be as difficult as initially thought and requests further details on the specific challenges faced.
  • Another participant mentions the difficulty of the inner product involved in the boundary condition when using cylindrical coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of solving the equation in Cartesian versus cylindrical coordinates. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in available references for using Green's function on periodic domains and the specific challenges posed by the Robin boundary condition in cylindrical coordinates.

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Hi,

I am working on a quite difficult, though seemingly simple, non-homogeneous differential equation in cylindrical coordinates. The main equation is the non homogeneous modified Helmholtz Equation

\nabla^{2}\psi - k^{2}\psi = \frac{-1}{D}\frac{\delta(r-r')\delta(\theta-\theta')\delta(z-z')}{r}

with Robin boundary condition

\psi - \kappa\hat{\Omega}_n\cdot\vec{\nabla}\psi = 0

on r=a, the edge of a virtual infinitely long cylinder of radius r=a. \hat{\Omega}_n is a vector pointing out of the cylinder.

The solution \psi must also vanish at infinity, i.e. \psi(r\rightarrow\infty,z\rightarrow\pm\infty) = 0, to satisfy the Sommerfeld Radiation Condition.

I have tried the Green's function approach in cartesian coordinates, though the Robin boundary condition makes it hard to easily solve. I have also tried it in polar coordinates, but I can't find any reference on how to use Green's function on periodic domains.

This problem arises from the diffusion approximation in biomedical imaging, and a solution would be of great help in my research.

Thanks a lot !
 
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Just curious, is this from what you're studying in college? Which course?
 
No it's not, I am working in an Optical Radiology Lab, and this problem is well documented in a cartesian semi-infinite medium, where the Robin boundary condition is simply on z = 0 (quite easier, isn't it?). However for a certain application (that I cannot disclose) I need to solve it in cylindrical coordinates.
 
Meconium said:
Hi,

I am working on a quite difficult, though seemingly simple, non-homogeneous differential equation in cylindrical coordinates. The main equation is the non homogeneous modified Helmholtz Equation

\nabla^{2}\psi - k^{2}\psi = \frac{-1}{D}\frac{\delta(r-r')\delta(\theta-\theta')\delta(z-z')}{r}

with Robin boundary condition

\psi - \kappa\hat{\Omega}_n\cdot\vec{\nabla}\psi = 0

on r=a, the edge of a virtual infinitely long cylinder of radius r=a. \hat{\Omega}_n is a vector pointing out of the cylinder.

The solution \psi must also vanish at infinity, i.e. \psi(r\rightarrow\infty,z\rightarrow\pm\infty) = 0, to satisfy the Sommerfeld Radiation Condition.

I have tried the Green's function approach in cartesian coordinates, though the Robin boundary condition makes it hard to easily solve. I have also tried it in polar coordinates, but I can't find any reference on how to use Green's function on periodic domains.

This problem arises from the diffusion approximation in biomedical imaging, and a solution would be of great help in my research.

Thanks a lot !
Yay, radiology! :-p

I'm assuming your ##D## is the diffusion constant, right, and not some weird differential operator?
 
Yeah, it's only the diffusion constant, sorry for not specifying.
 
Meconium said:
I have tried the Green's function approach in Cartesian coordinates, though the Robin boundary condition makes it hard to easily solve.
You're sure it's too hard in Cartesian coordinates? Could you show us where it got too difficult for you?
 
The normal vector \hat{\Omega}_n is directed out of the cylinder, so \hat{\Omega}_n is \frac{x\vec{i}+y\vec{j}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}} instead of only \vec{r}
 
Meconium said:
The normal vector \hat{\Omega}_n is directed out of the cylinder, so \hat{\Omega}_n is \frac{x\vec{i}+y\vec{j}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}} instead of only \vec{r}
However, this hardship is exchanged for a rather unfriendly inner product, which makes the boundary condition more difficult than worth solving.

For Cartesian coordinates, we can just solve using a convolution and attempt to fit the Robin boundary condition.
 
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I will try that then. Thanks a lot for the help !
 
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I will try that then. Thanks a lot for the help !
You're very welcome. :wink:
 

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