Non-anthropic String Theory Landscape and Finite Universes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Laura Mersini Haughton's multiverse theory, specifically her predictions related to the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the concept of finite universes as proposed by other theorists like Luminet and Levin. Participants explore the implications of these theories, the nature of predictions versus post-dictions, and the validity of associated claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss Haughton's predictions regarding the CMB cold spot, power suppression at low multipoles, and dark flow, noting that while dark flow is controversial, other predictions have been confirmed.
  • Others question the validity of dark flow and its implications for Haughton's theory.
  • A debate arises over whether Haughton's claims are predictions or post-dictions, with some asserting that they are indeed predictions made prior to the observational discoveries.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the strength of Haughton's theory, suggesting that post-dictions may undermine its compelling nature.
  • There is interest in Luminet's and Levin's theories on closed or finite universes, with participants seeking further insights and references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether Haughton's claims are predictions or post-dictions, and opinions vary regarding the strength and implications of her theory compared to those of Luminet and Levin.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the timing of predictions and discoveries remain unresolved, and the discussion reflects differing interpretations of the same evidence.

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What are you thoughts about Laura Mersini Haughton´s theory of the multiverse? She predicted a CMB cold spot, power suppression at low multipoles, preferred direction associated with the quadrupole octupole alignment, dark flow, and the deviation of the CMB amplitude. While dark flow remains controversial, the other predictions have been confirmed.
(See
http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3623
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0810.5388.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0611223v1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0612142v1.pdf
for more information)


On the other hand, there are other interesting theories of finite universes. The my favourites are http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9901364.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0310253v1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.1245.pdf
by Luminet and
http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0108043.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9807206.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9802021.pdf
by Levin

What are your comments on this?
 
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There's also work by kashlinsky out there on dark flow. Is it valid?
 
Were these predictions or post-dictions?
 
This is a good example of why we should be cautious when a conjecture yields a prediction that has observational support. It deserves further consideration, but, little more.
 
bapowell said:
Were these predictions or post-dictions?

The amazing thing is that they all were PREdictions!
 
Can you provide references where she predicts these effects?
 
But these are all dated after the discovery of the effects. I would consider these post-dictions then.
 
bapowell said:
But these are all dated after the discovery of the effects. I would consider these post-dictions then.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0405218.pdf
and
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0410213.pdf
are a bit older, I think.

As far as I know, dark flow was discovered on october 2008. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/pdf/276176main_ApJLetters_20Oct2008.pdf
and the papers of Houghton I'm citing above were written on 2004 and February 2008, that is, BEFORE (there you have at least one PREdiction).
Regarding the spot and the octupoles, I think you're right there.

Anyway, post-dictions, in this case, aren't a reason for paying less attention to the theory. I think this theory deserved much more attention than what it received.

And...

What are your thoughts on Luminet's and Levin's works on closed/finite universes?
 
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twistor said:
Anyway, post-dictions, in this case, aren't a reason for paying less attention to the theory. I think this theory deserved much more attention than what it received.
True, but the theories then are less compelling.

What are your thoughts on Luminet's and Levin's works on closed/finite universes?
I don't have any yet...I will have a look at the references. Thanks!
 

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