Non-linear second order equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the general integral of a specific non-linear second order differential equation of the form y^2 y'' + a y^3 - b = 0, where y is a function of x, and a and b are constants with specified ranges.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding the general integral of the equation.
  • Another participant suggests using Lie point transformations to approach the problem, providing a transformation and a derived equation.
  • A solution involving an integral is presented, but it is noted to be complex and potentially erroneous.
  • It is mentioned that the integral is an elliptic integral, which is not elementary, and a software tool (Maple) can evaluate it in terms of elliptic integrals.
  • A participant acknowledges the complexity of the integral and indicates they have reached a similar stopping point in their calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the solution to the integral, and multiple approaches and perspectives are presented without resolution.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the methods used for solving the equation and the complexity of the resulting integrals, which may depend on the definitions and transformations applied.

Leo Klem
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I am not able to find the general integral of the following non-linear 2nd order equation:

y^2 y'' + a y^3 - b = 0

in which:

y = f(x)

0 < a <= 1, is a constant

b > 0 , is a constant.
 
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Hello Leo Klem,

Not an easy one. The only method I know that can be used to solve this equation is Lie point transformations. By setting:

[tex]u=y[/tex]
[tex]v=y'[/tex]
and
[tex]w=\frac{dv}{du}=\frac{y''}{y'}[/tex]

You can transform the equation into:

[tex]v\frac{dv}{du}=\frac{b}{u^2}-au[/tex]

Which has as solution:

[tex]v^2=-\frac{2b}{u}-au^2+K_1[/tex]

Taking the root and inverting the substitution you end up with:

[tex]\pm x+K_2=\int \frac{\sqrt{y}dy}{\sqrt{K_1y-2b-ay^3}}[/tex]

Which is not an easy integral. Maybe by trying to find the roots you can solve it, I did not try this. (check the calculations for errors to be sure)

Hope this helps so far,

coomast
 
It's an elliptic integral, not elementary.
Maple evaluates it in terms of the elliptic integrals [itex]F[/itex] and [itex]\Pi[/itex], but too complicated to copy here.
 
16 August 2009

Many thanks for the attention paid both by "coomast" and by "g_edgar".
The solution for x given by "ccomast" is just the point where I too had to stop. Unfortunately, I am not in condition to calculate the integral indicated.
Leo Klem
 

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