Nonconservative Forces Problem with a Model Airplane

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The problem involves a model airplane with a mass of 5.3 kg that moves from a height of 15 m to 17 m while its speed decreases from 14 m/s to 8 m/s. The question seeks to determine the work done by non-conservative forces acting on the airplane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial assumptions regarding the presence of thrust forces and how they affect the energy considerations in the problem. There is a suggestion to consider the airplane as a glider to simplify the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the role of non-conservative forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of energy, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the problem setup, particularly about the thrust force and its implications for the work done by non-conservative forces. Participants are encouraged to clarify their reasoning and show their work as per forum guidelines.

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Homework Statement
A model plane of mass 5.3 kg moves from a height of 15 m to a height of 17 m while decreasing its speed from 14 m/s to 8 m/s. How much work is done by non-conservative forces acting on the plane?
Relevant Equations
—350 J
+104 J
—88 J
—245.9 J
+350 J
—104 J
+88 J
+245.9J
—15.9 J
+15.9 J
I am sure that the answer will be negative, but I'm not 100% sure on how to solve the problem. My initial answer was -350 J. Please help. Thanks!
 
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momoneedsphysicshelp said:
Homework Statement:: A model plane of mass 5.3 kg moves from a height of 15 m to a height of 17 m while decreasing its speed from 14 m/s to 8 m/s. How much work is done by non-conservative forces acting on the plane?
Relevant Equations:: —350 J
+104 J
—88 J
—245.9 J
+350 J
—104 J
+88 J
+245.9J
—15.9 J
+15.9 J

My initial answer was -350 J.
I assume those "Relevant Equations" are the options.
(That section of the template is for standard physics equations, like F=ma.)
Please post your working.
 
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momoneedsphysicshelp said:
Homework Statement:: A model plane of mass 5.3 kg moves from a height of 15 m to a height of 17 m while decreasing its speed from 14 m/s to 8 m/s. How much work is done by non-conservative forces acting on the plane?
... I am sure that the answer will be negative, but I'm not 100% sure on how to solve the problem. My initial answer was -350 J. Please help. Thanks!
This problem seems to be confusing to me, unless we assume that the model airplane does not have a thrust force acting on it.
A powerful engine would constantly supply mechanical energy to the airplane, which would need to be accounted for in the solution of the problem.
Let's assume the model is a glider instead.

If so, it is not different from a problem showing a ball rolling on an inclined plane and increasing is height respect to the ground.
Initial kinetic energy is used to increase potential energy and to overcome frictionor aerodynamic drag in the case of the airplane.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/smotion.html

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Lnewqban said:
This problem seems to be confusing to me, unless we assume that the model airplane does not have a thrust force acting on it.
The thrust, if present, will be one of the nonconservative forces ! If you are confused, why try to answer the question?

For the OP consider conservation of energy. Show how you got your answer (I'm not going to do it as per our suggested rules)
 

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