Nonlinear Operators on Finitely Generated Vector Spaces: Group Property Example

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The discussion revolves around examples of nonlinear operators on finitely generated vector spaces, specifically in the context of ℝn. Participants explore the properties of these operators, particularly focusing on the existence of nonlinear mappings that satisfy certain group properties.

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  • One participant requests an example of a nonlinear operator on a finitely generated vector space that possesses the group property.
  • Another participant suggests a simple nonlinear function, f(x) = x^2, but clarifies that the interest lies in functions that are not ℝ-linear yet satisfy f(x+y) = f(x) + f(y).
  • A construction is presented that relies on the axiom of choice, using a basis of ℝ as a vector space over ℚ to define a function that meets the specified criteria.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of nonlinear transformations, emphasizing the need for mappings that do not satisfy linearity conditions.
  • Participants discuss the necessary properties for linearity, including the superposition principle, and the implications of these properties for defining linear operators.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "group property" in this context, prompting further exploration of the topic.
  • A suggestion is made to consider constant functions as an example of a collection that satisfies the group property under point-wise multiplication.

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There is no consensus on a specific example of a nonlinear operator that satisfies the group property. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, leading to ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of linearity and group properties, which may not be universally agreed upon. The reliance on the axiom of choice for certain constructions is also noted.

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Can someone give an example of a nonlinear operator on a finitely generated vector space(preferably ℝn)? I'd be particularly interested to see an example of such that has the group property as well.
 
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Finding a nonlinear operator is of course very easy. Take [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow x^2[/itex].

But you seem to be interested in a function [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/itex] such that [itex]f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)[/itex] for all [itex]x,y\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] but that is still not [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]-linear.

The existence of such a function depends on the axiom of choice. One construction is as follows. We know that [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] is a [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-vector space. Let [itex]\{e_i\}_{i\in I}[/itex] a basis of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] as [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-vector space. We can write every [itex]x\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] uniquely as

[tex]x=\sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i[/tex]

where each [itex]\alpha_i[/itex] is rational and only finitely many of them are nonzero. Now take an arbitrary but fixed [itex]j\in I[/itex]. Take the function

[tex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}: \sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i\rightarrow \alpha_j[/tex]

This function satisfies [itex]f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)[/itex] (because it is [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-linear), but it is not [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] linear!
 
micromass said:
Finding a nonlinear operator is of course very easy. Take [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow x^2[/itex].

But you seem to be interested in a function [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/itex] such that [itex]f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)[/itex] for all [itex]x,y\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] but that is still not [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]-linear.

The existence of such a function depends on the axiom of choice. One construction is as follows. We know that [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] is a [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-vector space. Let [itex]\{e_i\}_{i\in I}[/itex] a basis of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] as [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-vector space. We can write every [itex]x\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] uniquely as

[tex]x=\sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i[/tex]

where each [itex]\alpha_i[/itex] is rational and only finitely many of them are nonzero. Now take an arbitrary but fixed [itex]j\in I[/itex]. Take the function

[tex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}: \sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i\rightarrow \alpha_j[/tex]

This function satisfies [itex]f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)[/itex] (because it is [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]-linear), but it is not [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] linear!





That's not quite what I meant. When I spoke of a non-linear operator, I was talking about a mapping η : Vn→Vn (where Vn is a vector space of positive integer dimension n) such that η is a non-linear transformation. The term "transformation" is used in vector algebra to mean a function mapping of a vector space into itself . So if ψ is a mapping from Vn→Vn that maps n-tuples to n-tuples, then for any vectors u,v in Vn, ψ is linear if:

[tex](1): ψ(\vec{u})+ ψ(\vec{v}) = ψ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \; \forall \; \vec{u},\vec{v} \in V^n[/tex]

and

[tex](2): \forall λ(scalar), \; λψ(\vec{v})=ψ(λ\vec{v}) \; \forall \vec{v} \in V^n[/tex]


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that statement (1) is what is called the superposition principle. Much like for any real number r, the function f(x)=rx obeys this principle for any (x,y) in ℝ: f(x+y) = r(x+y) = rx + ry = f(x) + f(y). As you probably know, any non-singular invertible square matrix An qualifies as a linear operator in ℝn and the collection of all such n-square invertible matrices is a group called the general linear group denoted by GL(n,ℝ).

So for any finite dimensional vector space V, let C(Vn,Vn) be the collection of all functions mapping V → V(for dimension n). So what I'm looking for is a subcollection D in C(Vn,Vn) such that

[tex]\forall ζ \in D \subseteq C(V^n,V^n), \; ζ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \neq ζ(\vec{u})+ζ(\vec{v}) \; whenever \; \vec{u} \neq \vec{v} \; \; \forall (\vec{u},\vec{v}) \in V^n[/tex]

And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).
 
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Zelyucha said:
That's not quite what I meant. When I spoke of a non-linear operator, I was talking about a mapping η : Vn→Vn (where Vn is a vector space of positive integer dimension n) such that η is a non-linear transformation. The term "transformation" is used in vector algebra to mean a function mapping of a vector space into itself . So if ψ is a mapping from Vn→Vn that maps n-tuples to n-tuples, then for any vectors u,v in Vn, ψ is linear if:

[tex](1): ψ(\vec{u})+ ψ(\vec{v}) = ψ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \; \forall \; \vec{u},\vec{v} \in V^n[/tex]

and

[tex](2): \forall λ(scalar), \; λψ(\vec{v})=ψ(λ\vec{v}) \; \forall \vec{v} \in V^n[/tex]
And that is exactly what micromass gave you with n= 1.


Property (1) is what makes ψ Linear
No. Properties 1 and 2 are both necessary to have ψ linear.

and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that statement (1) is what is called the superposition principle. Much like for any real number r, the function f(x)=rx obeys this principle for any (x,y) in ℝ: f(x+y) = r(x+y) = rx + ry = f(x) + f(y). As you probably know, any non-singular invertible square matrix An qualifies as a linear operator in ℝn and the collection of all such n-square invertible matrices is a group called the general linear group denoted by GL(n,ℝ).

So for any finite dimensional vector space V, let C(Vn,Vn) be the collection of all functions mapping V → V(for dimension n). So what I'm looking for is a subcollection D in C(Vn,Vn) such that

[tex]\forall ζ \in D \subseteq C(V^n,V^n), \; ζ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \neq ζ(\vec{u})+ζ(\vec{v}) \; whenever \; \vec{u} \neq \vec{v} \; \; \forall (\vec{u},\vec{v}) \in V^n[/tex]

And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).
 
Furthermore, what do you mean with the "group property" in this case?
 
Zelyucha said:
And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).

So let n = 1. Take all constant functions f(x) = c with c > 0.
Then f(x+y) = c but f(x)+f(y) = 2c.
And you have a group under point-wise multiplication.
 

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