Normally, water is a liquid but hydrogen sulphide a gas. Why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the contrasting physical states of water and hydrogen sulfide (H2S) at room temperature, specifically exploring why water exists as a liquid while H2S is a gas. The conversation touches on molecular interactions, hydrogen bonding, and the properties of the constituent elements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that hydrogen bonding is a key factor in water's liquid state, which is absent in hydrogen sulfide due to differences in electronegativity and atomic size.
  • Others argue that the difference in electronegativity between oxygen and sulfur, while significant, does not fully explain the disparity in physical states, raising questions about the impact of molecular weight.
  • A participant highlights the need to consider various types of bonds and their interactions to understand the states of matter, suggesting a review of related concepts like bond polarity and molecular geometry.
  • Some contributions emphasize that the inability of H2S to engage in hydrogen bonding may be overstated, pointing to complex structures formed by water molecules and the role of bond angles in H2S.
  • References to hydrogen-bonded structures in proteins are mentioned, indicating that the discussion may extend into more advanced contexts where the differences between oxygen and sulfur are nuanced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the factors influencing the states of water and hydrogen sulfide, with no consensus reached on the primary reasons for their differing physical states. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which hydrogen bonding and molecular properties contribute to this phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential oversimplification of complex molecular interactions and the dependence on specific definitions of bonding types. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical aspects of the claims made.

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You have to show your attempts at answering the question, this is a forum policy. Also, all homework like questions should go to homework forum.
The accepted explanation for the existence of water as a liquid involves hydrogen bonding. Why is this phenomenon absent in the case of hydrogen sulphide?
 
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Instead of giving full explanations, please help the OP to find the answer on their own. Just asking what factors affect the hydrogen bonding in hydrogen sulfide and whether it is stronger or weaker in water would point the OP in the right direction.
oxygen has smaller size and higher electronegativity than Sulphur. This results in strong H- bonding which does not exist in Sulphur.
 
Unsure why a drop of just under 1 in electronegativity from oxygen to sulphur compensates for the difference in molecular weight between water and hydrogen sulphide.
 
"Just under 1"? What is the range of the electronegativity changes in general?
 
From just under 1 to under 4; with oxygen at 3.44 and sulphur at 2.58.
 
This is NOT a small change.

Especially when accompanied by the change in the radius.
 
There are three types of 'Bonds' ... Physical, Chemical and Nuclear. To better understand this issue, you should review 'Physical Bonds' and how they are related to 'Chemical Bonds' especially as they apply to the interaction of Molecular Compounds and 'State of Existence'; i.e., solid, liquid or gas states ... Terms like Electronegativity, Bond Polarity, Molecular Polarity, Partial Charges, Formal Charges, Resonance and Molecular Geometry should be reviewed to develop a complete picture of what's happening on the molecular level particle-particle interactions. Good luck.
 
James Pelezo said:
Physical, Chemical

Not sure what you are referring to, but I am more than sure that whatever you mean by each they are just ends of a bond continuum, and it is possible to give examples that lie exactly in between.
 
Borek said:
Not sure what you are referring to, but I am more than sure that whatever you mean by each they are just ends of a bond continuum, and it is possible to give examples that lie exactly in between.
The original question was why is water liquid, but H2S is gas (i.e., doesn't demonstrate H-Bonding as does HOH) under the same conditions (i.e., 25oC; 1 atm)? To answer that question one needs to understand how chemical bonds, physical bonds and properties of the elements and molecules interact. You are right, it is a continuum of factoids drawn from each topic listed. Was just trying to make a suggestion of what should be reviewed to answer such questions.
 
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I think you have got answers that are good enough for your purposes.

I am not an expert on this, but I know that some people consider the inability of -S-H to participate in the hydrogen bonding is often exaggerated. Water structure is a complex subject; I think this passage is suggesting that cooperative phenomena involving extended hydrogen bonded and structures with several molecules of water play a part. https://books.google.it/books?id=p1...QggMAA#v=onepage&q=Hydrogen bonds H2S&f=false
And that just the different bond angles in H2O and H2S cause an inability to form the larger structures in H2S.

Hydrogen bonded structures involving -S-H of cysteine residues are known in proteins. http://web.unbc.ca/~rader/_publications/1991Gregoret.pdf .

So in more advanced studies and different contexts this absolute difference between the two atoms will be relativised - but till then what you have heard so far is much what you will hear. There is some nice pictorialisation and connection with other physics and biology here: http://www.slideshare.net/chungkin81/hydrogen-bonding.

 

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