Number of Solutions of a Nonlinear System

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of solutions for a nonlinear system of equations. Participants explore methods for solving the system, including numerical approaches and theoretical insights, while addressing both real and complex solutions.

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  • One participant reports finding a single solution to the nonlinear system using successive approximations and questions the existence of additional solutions.
  • Another participant suggests using elimination to derive a cubic equation from the system, noting that it has one real and two complex roots.
  • A later reply references Bezout’s theorem, proposing that the maximum number of intersection points (solutions) could be six, based on the degrees of the equations involved.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of determining complex solutions numerically, with one expressing skepticism about the feasibility of numerical methods for complex roots.
  • Another participant mentions that numerical algorithms, particularly for eigenvalues, can be utilized to find polynomial roots, including complex ones.
  • Bairstow’s method is introduced as a technique for computing both real and complex roots of polynomials with real coefficients.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for finding complex solutions and the applicability of numerical algorithms, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to determine the total number of solutions.

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Some participants note limitations in their methods, such as the inability to numerically determine complex solutions and the reliance on theoretical frameworks like Bezout’s theorem.

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How can one determine the number of solutions of a nonlinear system?
I developed a program to solve the nonlinear system below through the method of successive approximations and was only able to find one solution, namely ##x_1 = 0.93377## and ##x_2 =0.88417##, even though I tried many different starting points. I was wondering if there's a way to determine if there are other solutions to this system, and if so, how many more there would be.

\begin{cases} 3x_1^2 + x_2 = \frac{7}{2} \\ x_1 + x_2^3 = \frac{13}{8} \end{cases}
 
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Wledig said:
Summary: How can one determine the number of solutions of a nonlinear system?

I developed a program to solve the nonlinear system below through the method of successive approximations and was only able to find one solution, namely ##x_1 = 0.93377## and ##x_2 =0.88417##, even though I tried many different starting points. I was wondering if there's a way to determine if there are other solutions to this system, and if so, how many more there would be.

\begin{cases} 3x_1 + x_2 = \frac{7}{2} \\ x_1 + x_2^3 = \frac{13}{8} \end{cases}

if you use elimination, you can subtract 1/3 of the first equation from the second to get

##x_2^3 - \frac{1}{3}x_2 = \frac{13}{8} - \frac{7}{6}##
or
##x_2^3 - \frac{1}{3}x_2 - \frac{11}{24} = 0##

it's a cubic, so you can solve exactly (the other two roots are complex). the solution for ##x_2## is a bit different than what you've stated, though
 
Oops, my bad. The first term in the first equation is actually ##x_1^2##, I corrected it now.
 
According to Wikipedia there is a thing called Bezout’s theorem, which states that the number of intersection points of two plane curves is at most the product of the degrees, with equality when counting complex points and points at infinity, weighted by multiplicity.

So basically, you can expect at most 6 solutions, since you have a quadratic and a cubic.
 
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I see. There's probably no way to determine the complex solutions numerically though, I believe. Thanks for the insight.
 
Wledig said:
Summary: How can one determine the number of solutions of a nonlinear system?...

\begin{cases} 3x_1^2 + x_2 = \frac{7}{2} \\ x_1 + x_2^3 = \frac{13}{8} \end{cases}

using this updated equation, you can do substitution:
\begin{cases} 3x_1^2 + x_2 = \frac{7}{2} \\ x_1 = \frac{13}{8}- x_2^3 \end{cases}
and substitute in the top line. Degree 6 polynomial in ##x_2##. Easy numeric solutions.
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
Degree 6 polynomial in x2x2x_2. Easy numeric solutions.
Are they? I could use Newton-Raphson's method for instance to determine the real roots, but what about the complex ones? I'm not aware of any method for finding those numerically.
 
Wledig said:
Are they? I could use Newton-Raphson's method for instance to determine the real roots, but what about the complex ones? I'm not aware of any method for finding those numerically.
There's different schools of thought on this but one of the big ones is:

some the most heavily optimized numerical algorithms out there are for eigenvalues (QR Algorithm and various other flavors).

Numpy and Matlab and many other languages will give you eigenvalues (roots of a monic single variable polynomial) if you input them in a vector. In fact, my understanding is that if you ask Matlab to give you polynomial roots, it will input the polynomial into a companion matrix and run an eigenvalue routine on it. Numpy does the same thing with this routine:

https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.roots.html
 
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I would find it hard to believe that no algorithm exists for finding roots of real polynomials numerically. In fact, I have just learned from a Google search about Bairstow’s method, which computes both real and complex roots for polynomials with real coefficients.
 
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