Obama Bashing

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The fervor is just that, fervor. It's not rational. There's nothing to base the fervor on. It's all just riding on Bush hatred rather than anything meritorious that Obama has actually done. He has no record to base any decision about him on.

It's unjustified outrage at this point, but also unjustified praise. Not knowing much about him works both ways. There's no reason to support or bash him yet, and thus it boggles my mind that he actually got elected based on a non-existent record. I guess people just are naive enough to believe that no record is better than one with flaws...even if it really just means the flaws haven't been found yet.

But the media doesn't even seem interested in asking questions about this. When I say they aren't being critical, I mean it in terms of critical thinking...asking questions, checking facts, ensuring that claims are backed up with evidence...I don't mean picking for bad things. They don't seem to be doing any of that. Whatever his campaign states, they parrot without question. I've never seen such unquestioning support for any political candidate before, and it's not a good thing, in my opinion.

But, on the upside, all the things I really had a problem with about his positions will be thwarted by the current economy. They just aren't feasible with the economic downturn and will need to be put off while he fixes that first. And, it sounds like he's at least realizing this, so maybe there's some hope.
honestly, i don't see how things can get much worse. i don't have membership in any party, and have only ever been a libertarian once, but this is the first time i have ever voted for a democrat. you know why? because the republicans have shown themselves to be completely incompetent under the current administration, and completely incompetent in picking a candidate to replace him.

let me repeat that for you in case it zipped past the first time. i have never voted for a democrat before Obama. it's not that Obama is so great (tho i hope he is), but the other option was so bad. possibly worse than Bush bad.
 
  • #27
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It's unjustified outrage at this point, but also unjustified praise. Not knowing much about him works both ways. There's no reason to support or bash him yet, and thus it boggles my mind that he actually got elected based on a non-existent record. I guess people just are naive enough to believe that no record is better than one with flaws...even if it really just means the flaws haven't been found yet.
What completely boggles MY mind is that George Bush ran every business he ever owned into the ground before he ran for President and despite that, this country elected him TWICE!! Yeah. They gave him two chances to do the same thing to his own country and he stepped right up to the plate and gave it his 'best' by taking it down farther that it's ever been. Unfortunately, we'll ALL be paying for his 'best' for - probably - the rest of our lives.

Moonbear. Why do you always call Obama supporters 'worshipers'? Considering your views on religion, it would indicate that you consider calling us 'worshipers' quite the slam. Would you like to be called a Bush or McCain 'worshiper'?? For someone who thinks Obama got elected based on a non-existant record, your diatribes against him would seem to be unfounded at best. Upon what do you base this venomous dislike?
 
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I love my dad, and perhaps one of the most hurtful things he did to me as a kid was to refuse to admit a black keyboardist into our house in the 60's. I grew up listening to the Mills Brothers and the Ink Spots, so it's not as if I was being "contaminated" somehow.
 
  • #29
Something else, from my pov, is that the Obama-mania is not so much about Obama in that he walks on water and the like. The fervor results more from the importance of electing the best man for the job. The fervor is a latent manifestation of desperation in desperate times. Bush has taught us all just how bad a bad choice can be. But I do also think that Obama is the best candidate that I have ever seen. The legendary campaign that he ran serves as evidence that I am right about this, so I have high hopes.

He has also come out of the gate on a dead run. His choices so far have pleased many Republicans, as well as Democrats. The only people I hear crying are the extremists and ideologs - both, liberals, and neo-conservatives.
This is more or less what I have seen/heard. The local radio hosts are mostly centrist and so wont disparage Obama without reason. Rush seems absolutely rabid over Obama though. He consistently refers to him as Obamassiah, messiah, the democrat messiah, ect. Always refers to him as a socialist and makes insinuations that he is worming his way in to take over the country, apparently for his super secret elitist commie patrons or some such.
Among the rabble I hear all sorts of b****ing and moaning about him supposedly not being a real citizen, supposedly only being 5% black, and of course being a muslim and what not.
All this is boardering on the sort of attacks we saw on Bush, except that those attacks came after he had already been in office.
 
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I voted for Obama, and I hope it turns out. But, we have to be honest here for a second, and realize that the guy has been selling a whole lot of hope that he won't be able to satisfy.

I wouldn't be too hopeful that he is any less corrupt than the clintons, and if you think that the economic virus infected us in the last eight years, guess again. Bush only spent a lot making it worse. If you thought he was the next Kennedy, think again. But then again, a Kennedy can't survive the white house, and if he hopes to live, he won't do anything to upset the shadows.
 
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there's a lot that is different this time. Obama is probably spending more time in the spotlight prior to the inauguration than any other president elect. and even though he came out right away and said to the world that he's not the president yet, he's already acting as though he is. and yes, he's got no real power, but he does have the bully pulpit. president bush staying in hiding from the press except to pardon turkeys only makes it more so.

so, there you go, they're bashing him because he is the president. situation normal is, well, normal.
 

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