How Do Players Cheat in Chess?

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The discussion centers around the various methods and implications of cheating in chess, particularly in light of recent scandals involving high-profile players. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of cheating, including the use of technology and communication methods, as well as the psychological and strategic dimensions of the game. The conversation touches on both over-the-board and online play, examining how cheating can manifest in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that cheating could involve external assistance, such as someone outside the game providing move suggestions through discreet communication methods.
  • Others argue that modern technology, like smartphones running chess engines, could theoretically be used to gain an unfair advantage, although the practicality of this during tournaments is questioned.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for stealth in cheating, proposing that devices must be well-hidden or disguised to avoid detection.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of using hidden devices, including the potential need for excuses to explain their presence.
  • Some participants discuss the psychological aspects of chess, noting that memorization and preparation can lead to accusations of cheating, especially if a player appears to respond too quickly or confidently.
  • One participant mentions a controversial theory involving the use of anal beads to transmit information, highlighting the extremes to which some might go to cheat.
  • Another participant reflects on the nature of chess as a memorization contest, suggesting that the game has become overly demanding and less rewarding for top players.
  • Concerns about the integrity of online chess are raised, with participants noting that while cheating is easier to detect online, it remains a significant issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the methods and implications of cheating in chess, with no clear consensus on the effectiveness or morality of various approaches. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing theories and perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the feasibility of certain cheating methods, the effectiveness of detection measures, and the psychological dynamics at play during chess matches. The conversation also reflects differing opinions on the nature of competition in chess, particularly regarding online versus over-the-board play.

  • #31
Cheating at live card room poker became so ubiquitous back in my playing days that I modified tactics to take advantage of collusion among cheaters including reading their signals and letting the 'loser' team members build a pot for my hidden superior hands. One can only imagine the widespread cheating and collusion playing online money poker outside the purview of a professional casino / card room.
 
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  • #32
Klystron said:
Cheating at live card room poker became so ubiquitous back in my playing days that I modified tactics to take advantage of collusion among cheaters including reading their signals and letting the 'loser' team members build a pot for my hidden superior hands. One can only imagine the widespread cheating and collusion playing online money poker outside the purview of a professional casino / card room.
Recalling the title question, How do you even cheat in chess? ; and knowing that Chess is a very competitive INTELLECTUAL skill, so that using ones own mind with the chess skills must be of the highest of goals (so the competitions cannot be about money), we need to ask, "Why even cheat in chess?"
 
  • #33
symbolipoint said:
we need to ask, "Why even cheat in chess?"
Money, fame, etc. Duh?
 
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  • #34
symbolipoint said:
Recalling the title question, How do you even cheat in chess? ; and knowing that Chess is a very competitive INTELLECTUAL skill, so that using ones own mind with the chess skills must be of the highest of goals (so the competitions cannot be about money), we need to ask, "Why even cheat in chess?"
Many people like to cheat. They enjoy it and will do it even when nothing is at stake. Recently we had a case study in this. During COVID the bridge community moved online to a platform where it was very easy to cheat. About ten percent did so, as was shown via the examination of hand records. This included some famous players, such as one who had been on the cover of Bridge World. One cheating couple really had the name of Toogood.
 
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  • #35
symbolipoint said:
Recalling the title question, How do you even cheat in chess? ; and knowing that Chess is a very competitive INTELLECTUAL skill, so that using ones own mind with the chess skills must be of the highest of goals (so the competitions cannot be about money), we need to ask, "Why even cheat in chess?"
At high level the competitions are indeed about money. At lower levels, we ask "what is best in life?" Answer: "Crush your enemies, see them pout then weep before you, and hear the lamentation of their queen when you take her." -- Conan [paraphrased].
 
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  • #37
Beyond ridiculous. Actually, playing "pro" chess on the internet (ok, the s$$ty pandemic, but also before and now, i.e. after) is generally a bad idea in the age of computer software.
 
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  • #38
dextercioby said:
Beyond ridiculous. Actually, playing "pro" chess on the internet (ok, the s$$ty pandemic, but also before and now, i.e. after) is generally a bad idea in the age of computer software.
It gives so many more (environmentally friendly) options for top-level tournaments. One option is to have a local official in the room with each competitor. I think it's workable, especially for an elite-level tournament.

The vast majority of serious players don't cheat. It's not even clear that Niemann is still cheating. He didn't do well at the tournament in question.
 
  • #39
I am sorry. A lil obtuse and old-fashioned here. For me, pro-chess is OtB, I do not care about "environmentally friendly" and "cost-saving".
 
  • #40
dextercioby said:
, I do not care about "environmentally friendly"
Some of us do care about trashing the planet!
 
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  • #41
The impact of chess tournaments is 0. Look how much China and India pollute. And I stop here. :)
 
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  • #42
PeroK said:
Chess.com has issued a report on Hans Niemann, with the conclusion that he likely cheated in online games and tournaments up until 2020.

https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report
Afaik, they didn't do a similar analysis for every player in the world with FIDE rating of, say, 2500 or higher.
 
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  • #43
I haven't watched it, but here's how one could cheat at chess using electronics hidden on one's own body.
 

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