Observations a TOE must agree with?

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The discussion revolves around the cosmological observations that a Theory of Everything (TOE) must agree with. Participants explore various observational data points and theoretical implications related to cosmology, particle physics, and the fundamental nature of reality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a TOE must agree with redshift data, element ratios, bias toward matter, CMB temperature, and CMB "lumpiness."
  • One participant notes that a TOE should align with the standard model at low energies, which successfully accounts for some of the mentioned observations.
  • There is a discussion about whether the dark energy/dark matter ratio must be predicted by a TOE, with differing views on its necessity based on interpretations of "everything."
  • Another participant raises the idea that a unification theory may not provide complete answers required by a TOE, particularly regarding initial conditions of the universe.
  • Additional points include the need for a TOE to explain coupling values, particle masses, the nature of charge, the origin of spin and entanglement, and the behavior of particles in experiments like the double slit experiment.
  • One participant proposes a broader definition of a TOE, suggesting it should encompass the origin and fate of the universe and the fundamental nature of existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding which observations a TOE must account for, with multiple competing views on the implications of certain observations and the definitions of a TOE.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on interpretations of what constitutes a TOE, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of certain observations and their interrelations.

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Another silly question here :)

What are some of the cosmological observations a TOE must agree with? (I'm making a list)

Some that I can think of...
a) redshift data (Type 1a supernovas, etc.)

b) element ratios (Hydrogen, Helium,...)

c) bias toward 'matter' rather than 'antimatter'

d) CMB temperature

e) CMB "lumpiness" (side question: Would predicting the 'fractal' dimension of the CMB (I think it's around 3) be sufficient to satisfy this condition?)

f) the particle 'zoo'

g) dark energy / dark matter ratio. (I think this condition may 'follow' from a), but I'm listing it anywayz)

What else am I missing? (note: I'm asking for some of the 'observational' data points that must be hit-not 'theories.')
Ya know I actually saw a good number of these listed in another thread, but 'sigh' I can't find it now.
 
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A TOE has to agree with the standard model at low energies, and the standard model gets a, b, d, and e right, so I think you can knock those off.
 
Great-thank you.

So, so far I'm on the right track in compiling a list of the 'big' observations that must be explained?

Oh..I forgot. g) dark energy dark matter ratio

Anything else?
 
Aztral said:
Oh..I forgot. g) dark energy dark matter ratio

It's not obvious to me that a theory would have to predict this in order to be a theory of everything. I guess it depends on what you mean by "everything." To me, a TOE implies a set of physical laws, but not necessarily a set of initial conditions for the universe, which you could argue g falls under.

-Ben
 
bcrowell said:
It's not obvious to me that a theory would have to predict this in order to be a theory of everything. I guess it depends on what you mean by "everything." To me, a TOE implies a set of physical laws, but not necessarily a set of initial conditions for the universe, which you could argue g falls under.

-Ben

Right! And the more I think about it, the more I realize that in a 'TRUE' TOE some of the items in this list would imply other items (and vice versa). And some items would just be redundant.
 
When you specify TOE would a unification theory qualify? The point is that the unification of QM and GR would not necessarily give complete answers to everything that can in principle be predicted by a TOE if you take the acronym at face value.
 
my_wan said:
When you specify TOE would a unification theory qualify? The point is that the unification of QM and GR would not necessarily give complete answers to everything that can in principle be predicted by a TOE if you take the acronym at face value.

Hi.

I was speaking of TOE, as opposed to a gut or a "toe." :)
 
Aztral said:
Hi.

I was speaking of TOE, as opposed to a gut or a "toe." :)



1. all couplings values and their relations and origin. That includes computing the behavior at all energies (and distances-up to edge of the universe if there is one(CC)). and if there is a physical cut-off or not.

2. the theory must predict particles with their masses explained.Inculding light and its clear interaction picture with matter.

3. What is charge exactly and how does the value come about.

4. the origin of Spin and entanglment.

5. how do particles behave in flight, like the double slit experiment.

6. The real source of the effect of relativity. That is of course includes what is Space and time. and what is vacuum made of.

7. the relation between all of the above.

8. the origin and the fate of the universe or(universes)

But Most of all what is existence made of, if not a mathematical imperative.


I propose a better name for such a theory. Fundamental Model of Reality.
 
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