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The discussion revolves around the topic of Gauss-Jordan elimination and the associated row operations used in matrix manipulation. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the allowed operations when transforming matrices into reduced echelon form.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify which row operations are permissible, questioning whether one can add or subtract a single number to a row. Other participants provide definitions of the allowed operations, including replacing, swapping, and adding multiples of rows.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the rules of row operations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the operations, and there appears to be a productive exchange of information, though no consensus has been reached on all points.

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The original poster reflects on past familiarity with matrices, indicating a potential gap in understanding current practices. There is an emphasis on the distinction between different types of row operations, which may suggest a need for further exploration of foundational concepts.

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This is where the problem begins. It's funny, because I used to be good
at matrices back in high school, but when I look at them now, I don't
understand why I keep getting different answers when I do different
elementary row operations. I know how to get my values in reduced
echelon form and such, but my problem is knowing which row operations
are "allowed". Any assistance on this?
 
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Oh, wait. Let me ask a quick question.

Can you add or subtract a single number to or from a single row? Or can you only multiply/divide rows, and only add-subtract rows from/to each other?
 
no we cannot add or subtract a single number from a row.
we can add multiples of other rows to a single row
 
There are three operations:
1) Replace a row/equation by a nonzero multiple of itself. For example, you could multiply both sides of one row/equation by 2, say.
2) You can exchange (swap) two rows/equations.
3) You can add a nonzero multiple of one row/equation to another row/equation.
 
Mark44 said:
There are three operations:
1) Replace a row/equation by a nonzero multiple of itself. For example, you could multiply both sides of one row/equation by 2, say.
2) You can exchange (swap) two rows/equations.
3) You can add a nonzero multiple of one row/equation to another row/equation.
Thank you! That definitely helps! I'm getting answers that actually make sense now.

So, can you divide both sides of a row by a nonzero number too, or only replace it with a nonzero multiple of itself?
 
I have no idea what you mean by "both sides of a row". However, "dividing by a number" is the same as "multiplying by the reciprocal of the number" so there is absolutely no difference between "divide both sides of a row by a nonzero number" and "replace it with a nonzero multiple of itself".
 

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