Oil Compressibility - Bulk Modulus of Oil (API 30-40) 0-3000 psi & 10-20°C

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the bulk modulus of oil with API Gravity 30-40, specifically within the pressure range of 0-3000 psi and temperature range of 10-20 degrees Celsius. Participants seek to understand how the bulk modulus varies under these conditions, including the need for specific data such as curves or tables.

Discussion Character

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Filippo Librino requests information on the bulk modulus of oil under specified conditions.
  • CS suggests providing more details about the oil, such as gas-oil ratio and specific gravity, as hydrocarbons can vary significantly.
  • Filippo clarifies that there is no gas present and seeks specific curves or tables for the bulk modulus.
  • CS recommends using the NIST REFPROP program to generate the desired charts, noting that it includes most hydrocarbons.
  • CS mentions that hand calculations were performed using arbitrary properties, but emphasizes the importance of using NIST for accurate data.
  • CS highlights limitations regarding the validity of compressibility in relation to bubble point pressure and other unspecified limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific values or models for the bulk modulus, and the discussion remains open with multiple approaches suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for specific conditions such as specific gravity and pressure to accurately calculate the bulk modulus, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these variables.

Filippo54US
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Could anybody provide information on the bulk modulus of oil (say API Gravity 30-40) in the range of pressure 0-3000 psi and in the range of temperature 10-20 degrees C?

Many thanks

Filippo Librino
 
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Filippo54US said:
Could anybody provide information on the bulk modulus of oil (say API Gravity 30-40) in the range of pressure 0-3000 psi and in the range of temperature 10-20 degrees C?

Many thanks

Filippo Librino

Can you provide more details about the oil (e.g. gas-oil ratio, specific gravity, separator temp and pressure)? Hydrocarbons typically vary quite a bit over that large of a range.

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Can you provide more details about the oil (e.g. gas-oil ratio, specific gravity, separator temp and pressure)? Hydrocarbons typically vary quite a bit over that large of a range.

CS

Thanks for your reply. Please assume no gas. As far as pressure and temperature, I am actually looking for curves or tables showing how the oil bulk module varies in the range 0-3000 psi and 10-20 degrees C.

Filippo Librino
 
Filippo54US said:
Thanks for your reply. Please assume no gas. As far as pressure and temperature, I am actually looking for curves or tables showing how the oil bulk module varies in the range 0-3000 psi and 10-20 degrees C.

Filippo Librino

NIST has a program called REFPROP that can probably generate the chart you want if you can specify the type of fluid. Version 8.0 includes most hydrocarbons so make sure you use it. Otherwise, you'll have to specify the exact conditions (specific gravity, pressure, temp, etc.) and calculate it.

CS
 
stewartcs said:
NIST has a program called REFPROP that can probably generate the chart you want if you can specify the type of fluid. Version 8.0 includes most hydrocarbons so make sure you use it. Otherwise, you'll have to specify the exact conditions (specific gravity, pressure, temp, etc.) and calculate it.

CS

Thanks. I will try to get access to REFPROP 8.0.

Filippo Librino
 
Filippo54US said:
Thanks. I will try to get access to REFPROP 8.0.

Filippo Librino

I ran some hand calcs to give you an idea of what it would be with some arbitrary properties.

Note that validity of the compressibility regarding the bubble point pressure (there are some other limitations that I haven't listed but are not directly applicable given the information you have already provided). Also, the formulas I used are for petroleum fluids (e.g. crude oil) and are based in part on empirical data.

I would still recommend using NIST instead.

Hope this helps.

CS
 

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stewartcs said:
I ran some hand calcs to give you an idea of what it would be with some arbitrary properties.

Note that validity of the compressibility regarding the bubble point pressure (there are some other limitations that I haven't listed but are not directly applicable given the information you have already provided). Also, the formulas I used are for petroleum fluids (e.g. crude oil) and are based in part on empirical data.

I would still recommend using NIST instead.

Hope this helps.

CS

Thanks for the additional information!

Filippo Librino
 

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