Open Sets in R^n: Show Dot Product Is Open

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of demonstrating that the dot product of two open sets in R^n is open in R. Participants explore concepts from topology and analysis, particularly focusing on the properties of sums and products of open sets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to prove that the dot product of open sets U and V in R^n is open in R.
  • Another participant suggests that it suffices to show that sums and products of open sets are open, implying a connection to the composition of these operations.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about how the composition of sums and products leads to the conclusion that the dot product is open, requesting further clarification.
  • One participant defines the dot product of open sets as the set of all pairs formed by taking one element from each open set.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used, suggesting that "Cartesian product" may be the correct term instead of "dot product."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the properties of sums and products of open sets, but there is disagreement regarding the terminology and the definition of the dot product of open sets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the definitions and the implications for the proof.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the definitions of the dot product and Cartesian product in the context of open sets, as well as the implications of the composition of operations on these sets.

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Hi

i want to solve a problem about topology or analysis: Let U and V be open sets in R^n, i want to to show their dot product is open in R.

Tahnk you
 
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Hi seydunas! :smile:

The dot product is a composition of sums and products, so it actually suffices to show that sums and products are open. Can you show that?
 
Hi Micromass,

i have showed that sums and products are open, i.e sum of two open sets and product of two open sets open, in fact sum of an open set and arbitrary set is open, ok, but i can't understand how it suffices to show their composition is also open. Can you explain it more detail.
 
Let [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/itex] denote sum and let [itex]g:\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/itex] denote product. Then, for example in [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex]

[tex](x,y)\cdot (x^\prime,y^\prime)=xx^\prime+yy^\prime=f(g(x ,x^\prime),g(y,y^\prime))[/tex]

So you see that this dot product is simply the composition of sum and products.
 
Sorry if I am being thick here, but how do you define the dot product of open sets? Is it the union <a,B> for fixed a in A, and all b in B?
 
Bacle said:
Sorry if I am being thick here, but how do you define the dot product of open sets? Is it the union <a,B> for fixed a in A, and all b in B?

Yes, I took it as

[tex]\{<a,b>~\vert~a\in A,b\in B\}[/tex]
 
I think you mean "Cartesian product", not "dot product".
 

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