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  1. Aug 30, 2014 #1

    Hi every one! How do you do? This is my first post on PhysicalForums.

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    I got one quick main question. Is there a way to search only open threads?


    I feel like I could contribute to some discussions on this forum, that is why I registered, but all the main relevant threads are closed.
    Is there a way to reopen a thread? Whom should I ask to do that?

    Thanks for reading this. Have fun

    -PhysicalArch
     
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  3. Aug 30, 2014 #2

    Borek

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    Most closed threads are those that were inactive for over two years - lack of activity typically means nobody is interested in continuing the discussion, it is also quite likely most of the people originally involved already left the forum. Threads are closed to avoid necroposting which is what you want to do.

    If you really feel like you have something valuable to add you can report the thread and explain why you think reopening it and restarting an old discussion makes sense. Don't be surprised if we don't agree with you :wink:
     
  4. Aug 30, 2014 #3
    I guess it would make sense to discuss the reopening with those involved in previous discussion.


    I understand that rules like these are necessary to keep threads clean and information clear. But the fact that most threads are closed can turn new people away. New people may come with new ideas that are beneficial to discussion, don't you think?
     
  5. Aug 30, 2014 #4

    Evo

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    Borek gave you the correct answer, if you wish to know if a topic from a locked thread is suitable for discussion, you would need to ask a mentor, not the members in the old locked thread. The thread may have been locked because the topic was against our rules, there are many reasons a thread is locked.
     
  6. Aug 30, 2014 #5

    dlgoff

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    What you do is start a new thread if there's a question about it and reference/link that old thread.
     
  7. Aug 30, 2014 #6

    Evo

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    I would only agree if there was no reason given for the thread being closed. If a reason is given, it is against the rules to re-start a locked thread without approval.

    Even old threads that were closed due to age and may not show a reason may no longer meet our rules.
     
  8. Aug 30, 2014 #7

    phinds

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    Topics in closed threads are likely to be ones that appear in more recent threads (assuming they weren't closed for being banned topics) so if you have an interest in a topic, do a forum search and look for recent open threads.
     
  9. Aug 30, 2014 #8
    In case the thread got locked because of inactivity, I don't see how asking mentor would be better than asking those involved in discussion.
    As I understand this kind of locking occurs to protect from superficial posts that are not beneficial for discussion at its current depth. Those involved would be more informed about what would be better for progressing discussion, don't you think?

    Does reason for locking gets registered somewhere?

    As for starting new thread.. It has obvious drawbacks.
    • There will be a lot of superficial information duplicated.
    • Topic gets clustered.
    • Knowledgeable people from older threats get cut out from discussion
    • Persons of new thread has limited access to relevant conclusions from old threads


    What I essentially argue for here is less strict locking policy. Something like locking only if something goes wrong.

    Lock only if thread gets deadposts or something else goes wrong beyond some point. Then from there we can refine this way of protecting threads.

    Closing tread after some arbitrary time just because it lost interest in this forum doesn't seem like evidence based solution. Why are threads closed after that time? would different amount of time be more efficient? Maybe even another way to choose which treads to lock.
    In fact closing threads like this could do some harm for discussion. Knowledgeable people might not get involved simply because its not easy enough.

    Thanks for reading. :smile: its fun
     
  10. Aug 30, 2014 #9

    Evo

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    No, the mentors know why it was locked and if further discussion is allowed.

    It is usually the last post in the thread.

    I see you are new to our forum. Welcome, please read our guidelines which can be found at the top of every page under "site information". Also, some sub-forums have additional rules that are pinned at the top of each front page for that sub-forum.
     
  11. Aug 30, 2014 #10
    As I understand, restarting productive discussion requires understanding of context and depth of actual problems being discussed. Is there reason to believe that 1 person, possibly uninterested in topic, would make better decision than those interested and already involved? No.
    But then again there is nothing preventing me from talking to those involved in discussion and maybe then asking the mentor together.

    Can any mentor unlock any thread or do have some specific threads that you are responsible for?

    Thanks for warm welcome. I'm indeed very new to this forum but hopefully will stay involved for long time. I'm not physicist or anything like that myself. Just curious about it and similar things.
    Cheers
     
  12. Aug 30, 2014 #11

    Evo

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    Why don't you send one of the threads you are interested in to the mentor's forum by hitting the report button on the last post and we'll look at it because right now we have absolutely no idea what kind of discussions you are looking at.
     
  13. Aug 30, 2014 #12
    Perhaps a standard statement should be copied and pasted into the last post of a thread when it is closed by a mentor. This would be helpful for people who google into the thread.

    Personally, the only problem I have with necro posts is that I usually don't realize that it's an old thread. This problem could be eliminated by listing the date of the first post along with the name of the thread starter. Many other forums already do this. I realize that the date is shown in the first post, but if it's a long thread I may only look at the date of the last post.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2014 #13
    Ok, I will do that when im ready :)
     
  15. Aug 30, 2014 #14

    dlgoff

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    Oh for sure if a threat is locked for a rules violation. I guess I was thinking more about the engineering forums. Maybe berkeman will chime in, but if I remember correctly, he was okay with posting a link to old threads with pertinent information for the discussion at hand.
     
  16. Aug 30, 2014 #15

    Evo

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    It just depends, if it's in engineering and someone wants to ask a specific question about a problem discussed in a closed thread, then that should be ok.

    If it's in physics and a person believes they have a new theory that will solve what was discussed in an old closed thread. No.
     
  17. Aug 30, 2014 #16

    jtbell

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    All mentors have the technical ability to close and reopen threads and delete posts in any forum. However, different mentors have expertise in different areas. Therefore the best way to make a request visible to an appropriate mentor is to "send" it to all of us, by using the "Report" button as Evo recommended. Then we can easily discuss it among ourselves if necessary.
     
  18. Apr 25, 2015 #17
    I totally agree. Also if you do close a thread, delete it so that it does not pose frustration to those who would like to comment on it.

    There are so many sites out there that claim to be open to original ideas but that use such tactics to censor discussions they do not support or agree with, which is hardly an action that supports critical thinking..
     
  19. Apr 25, 2015 #18

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    The threads are still useful to readers. If threads are not useful (e. g. the first post violates the forum rules), then we delete them, but deleting interesting, good discussions just because they are old would be a waste.
     
  20. Apr 25, 2015 #19
    I found two threads about what thoughts are and I am interested in pursuing some of the many ramifications of the composition of or process involved in forming a thought but both threads were locked. I will now do some research on google and come back and post a new thread explaining what thoughts are and what I find interesting or even fascinating about that information.
     
  21. Apr 25, 2015 #20

    phinds

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    That's fine, but please be sure your sources are legitimate ones and that you are not proposing personal theories. That's how threads get locked WITHOUT being old :smile:
     
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