Orbit around the Galactic Center

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The discussion centers on the nature of the Sun's orbit around the Galactic Center of the Milky Way, specifically seeking to understand the characteristics of this orbit, including the relevant vectors and reference frames. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of orbital mechanics in a galactic context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the distance of the Galactic Center from the solar system and its mass, seeking to understand the nature of the orbit, including the vectors for velocity and radius in relation to the singularity.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the discussion pertains to the Sun's orbit or the orbits of stars near the supermassive black hole at the Galactic Center.
  • A repeated request emphasizes the need for the velocity vector of the Sun and the radius vector in the reference frame of the singularity.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of the alignment of celestial bodies, introducing a seemingly unrelated comment about a sports event.
  • A further elaboration states that the solar system does not follow a Keplerian path around the galaxy, highlighting that the mass of the central singularity is a small fraction of the total galactic mass, which complicates the orbital dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the Sun's orbit, with some focusing on the technical details of the vectors involved while others introduce skepticism or unrelated commentary. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specifics of the orbit or the implications of the mass distribution in the galaxy.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of the solar system's orbit due to the mass distribution of the galaxy, indicating that assumptions about Keplerian orbits may not apply. There are unresolved questions regarding the reference frame and the specific vectors sought.

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The Galactic Center of the Milky Way is about 25,900 light years away from the solar system. Its mass is 4.31E6*(Mass of the Sun). What I would like to know is what is the elliptical, circular, or etc orbit around the singularity especially the vector v and vector r. And if there is one, the reference frame that is commonly used for this singularity?
 
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You're talking about the orbit the Sun makes around the galactic center or the orbits of the stars near the center which orbit the supermassive black hole?
 
I would like the orbit the Sun makes around the galactic center of the Milky Way Galaxy! All I need is just two vectors: the velocity of the Sun in the reference frame of the singularity and the radius of the Sun to the singularity in the reference frame of the singularity.
 
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Oh, the alignment between earth, sun and the galactic center is so exciting . . . what a bunch of crap. If the cubs win the world series in 2012, i might worry.
 
Philosophaie said:
I would like the orbit the Sun makes around the galactic center of the Milky Way Galaxy! All I need is just two vectors: the velocity of the Sun in the reference frame of the singularity and the radius of the Sun to the singularity in the reference frame of the singularity.
The solar system does not follow a Keplerian path (i.e., conic section) about the galaxy. Keplerian orbits arise in system comprising a single large central mass with all other objects having inconsequential mass. While the galaxy does have a large central mass, the mass of that singularity (~4.1 million solar masses) is but a small fraction of the total mass of the galaxy (~580 billion solar masses).
 

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