Ordinary differential equations. Series method.

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The discussion revolves around the choice of series solutions for a specific ordinary differential equation, particularly focusing on the forms of the series used in the context of the Method of Frobenius. Participants explore when to use a series starting at a non-zero power versus one starting at zero, and the implications of singular points in the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the series solution should start at ##x^k## instead of ##x^0##, suggesting that polynomial solutions may not always begin at zero.
  • Others argue that starting the series at ##x^k## allows for the possibility of coefficients for lower powers being zero, which simplifies the process of finding solutions.
  • A participant mentions that the notation ##\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}=y(x,k)## is technically correct but redundant.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of the Method of Frobenius when dealing with singular points in the differential equation, noting that Taylor series expansions do not exist at these points.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of ordinary and irregular singular points, suggesting that the choice of series form is influenced by the nature of these singularities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of choosing one series form over another. There is no consensus on a definitive method for determining when to use each form, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the presence of singular points complicates the use of standard Taylor series, leading to the necessity of employing the Method of Frobenius. The discussion highlights the complexity of identifying the nature of singular points and their impact on solution methods.

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Question:
Why equations
x(1-x)\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+[\gamma-(\alpha+\beta+1)x]\frac{dy}{dx}-\alpha \beta y(x)=0
should be solved by choosing
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##
and not
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m}##?
How to know when we need to choose one of the forms.
Also when I sum over ##m##, then ##\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}=y(x,k)##. Right?
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
Question:
Why equations
x(1-x)\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+[\gamma-(\alpha+\beta+1)x]\frac{dy}{dx}-\alpha \beta y(x)=0
should be solved by choosing
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##
and not
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m}##?
How to know when we need to choose one of the forms.
Also when I sum over ##m##, then ##\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}=y(x,k)##. Right?

Ultimately, you are looking for polynomial solutions. A polynomial need not begin at x^0. So you allow it to begin at x^k.

You could begin by substituting into the equation the series
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m}##
But then, if the solution polynomial does begin with the x^k term, your first set of coefficients
##a_0, a_1, ..., a^{k-1}##
would all work out to be zero. It is thus less work to allow for this eventuality by starting your series at
##x^k##
You can the solve, among other things, for the value of k.

Technically, the notation you suggest,
##\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}=y(x,k)##
is correct, but redundant.
 
Ok. Fair enough. I will try to solve tomorrow this with both methods. Could you just tell me how do you know when the first few will be zero or how you know that here when you see equation? Or you always use ## \sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##?
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Ok. Fair enough. I will try to solve tomorrow this with both methods. Could you just tell me how do you know when the first few will be zero or how you know that here when you see equation? Or you always use ## \sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##?

Always use ## \sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Question:
Why equations
x(1-x)\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+[\gamma-(\alpha+\beta+1)x]\frac{dy}{dx}-\alpha \beta y(x)=0
should be solved by choosing
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}##
and not
##y(x)=\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m}##?
How to know when we need to choose one of the forms.
Also when I sum over ##m##, then ##\sum^{\infty}_{m=0}a_mx^{m+k}=y(x,k)##. Right?
See http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FrobeniusMethod.html

x=0 is a singular point of the differential equation. That's why you have to use the first form and not a plain old Taylor series.
 
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The method you are inquiring about is the Method of Frobenius. You have to use the Method of Frobenius whenever there is a singular point in the differential equation.
A singular point can be broken up into 2 categories. They are: ordinary singular point and irregular singular point (not sure if this is the correct name). I suggest reading the section action in your DE book. In other words, no taylor series expansion exist at a singular point. So we change where the Taylor Series is centered, however it gets really messy, so we employ the Method of Frobenius.

There is also a method of getting the values of K, before you even start massaging the problem.
 

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