Orthogonality of Momentum Eigenstates: Why is ##\int e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx=0##?

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The discussion centers on the orthogonality of momentum eigenstates, specifically examining the integral ##\int e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx## and why it evaluates to zero. Participants explore the implications of this integral in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the properties of plane wave functions.

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  • One participant presents the integral ##\int e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx## as a specific case of orthogonality between momentum eigenstates ##\phi_1## and ##\phi_2##.
  • Another participant suggests plotting the functions ##\sin k_1 x \sin k_2 x## to visualize the balance of positive and negative areas under the curve, implying this relates to the integral's evaluation.
  • A later reply questions how to numerically evaluate the improper integral, indicating a need for practical approaches to the problem.
  • One participant notes that the improper integral does not converge but proposes an alternative method involving a convergent integral ##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-a|x|}e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx## and taking the limit as ##a \rightarrow 0+## to show that the value approaches zero.

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Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the integral, with some focusing on numerical methods and others on theoretical approaches. There is no consensus on a definitive resolution to the question posed.

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The discussion highlights the complexities of evaluating improper integrals and the conditions under which they may converge. Participants reference different mathematical techniques without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in understanding the properties of momentum eigenstates and the mathematical techniques involved in evaluating integrals in this context.

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Consider two momentum eigenstates ##\phi_1## and ##\phi_2## representing momenta ##p_1## and ##p_2##. For the sake of easy numbers, ##p_1=1*\hbar## (with ##k=1##) and ##p_2=2*\hbar## (with ##k=2##). Thus, ##\phi_1=e^{ix}## and ##\phi_2=e^{2ix}##. Orthogonality states that
##\int \phi_1^*\phi_2dx=\int e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx=0##
Why is this?

I understand how orthogonality would work with dirac deltas (i.e. I know why position eigenfunctions are orthogonal in position space and why momentum eigenfunctions are orthogonal in momentum space, etc.) but I am unclear of how it works with plane waves.

Also, I am specifically asking why ##\int e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx=0##, not why orthogonality works in general (I understand its derivation using the definition of hermitian operators and the inner product).
 
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You could first try to plot some graphs of real functions ##\sin k_1 x \sin k_2 x## where ##k_2## is much larger than ##k_1## and convince yourself of the fact that there's practically as much "positive" as "negative" surface area between the graph and the x-axis.
 
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hilbert2 said:
You could first try to plot some graphs of real functions ##\sin k_1 x \sin k_2 x## where ##k_2## is much larger than ##k_1## and convince yourself of the fact that there's practically as much "positive" as "negative" surface area between the graph and the x-axis.
I guess then that my question is how do you numerically evaluate that improper integral?
 
When talking about rigorous mathematics, the improper integral does not converge, but I guess you can show that if you calculate an integral ##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-a|x|}e^{-ix}e^{2ix}dx## (which does converge) and take the limit ##a \rightarrow 0+##, then you get value 0.
 

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