Momentum/Position space wave function

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between momentum space wave functions and position space wave functions in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on their mathematical representations and interpretations. Participants explore the Fourier transform relationships between these wave functions, the implications of state representations, and the nature of basis transformations in quantum states.

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  • Some participants discuss the Fourier transform relationship between momentum space wave function ##\Phi(p,t)## and position space wave function ##\Psi(x,t)##, questioning the interpretation of these functions as state vectors versus their coefficients.
  • There is a suggestion that the notation used in the expressions may lead to confusion regarding whether ##\Psi## refers to the state vector or its position representation ##\Psi(x,t)##.
  • One participant proposes that the relationship between the wave functions can be expressed in terms of integrals involving eigenfunctions, raising questions about the implications of these transformations.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of expanding a state vector in an arbitrary orthonormal basis and relates this to the calculation of wave functions in coordinate space.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of basis transformations and how they relate to the components of state vectors in different bases, drawing parallels to linear algebra.

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Participants express confusion and uncertainty regarding the interpretations of the wave functions and their relationships. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the notation or the implications of the transformations discussed.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the notation and the definitions of the wave functions, as well as the dependence on the choice of basis for representing state vectors. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions regarding the mathematical steps involved.

WeiShan Ng
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These are from Griffith's:
Momentum space wave function ##\Phi(p,t)## is the Fourier transform of ##\Psi(x,t)##
$$\Phi(p,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi \hbar}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ipx/\hbar} \Psi(x,t) \, dx$$
Position space wave function ##\Psi(x,t)## is the inverse transform of ##\Phi(p,t)##
$$\Psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi \hbar}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{ipx/\hbar} \Phi(x,t) \, dp$$
And ##|\Phi(p,t)|^2 = |c(p)|^2## is the probability of getting one of the eigenvalue of the momentum operator.
Momentum eigenfunctions are ##f_p(x) = (1/\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}) exp(ipx/\hbar)##
$$c(p) = \langle f_p|\Psi \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ipx/\hbar} \Psi(x,t) \, dx$$
while ##|\Psi(y,t)|^2 = |c(y)|^2## is the probability of getting one of the eigenvalue of the position operator.
Position eigenfunctions are ##g_y(x) = \delta(x-y)##
$$c(y)=\langle g_y|\Psi\rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \delta(x-y) \Psi(x,t) \, dx = \Psi(y,t)$$
My lecture note says that
Physical duality of ##\Psi## and ##\Phi## specify the same state of the system and we can compute one from another


I am having quite a confusion over here...Does the ##\Psi## in the expression ##\langle f_p|\Psi \rangle## equals to ##\Psi(x,t)##? I understand it as ##\Psi(x,t)## being the component of the position basis to form ##\Psi##, so ##\Psi## is a state vector and ##\Psi(x,t)## is the "coefficients"?
And when it says ##\Psi## and ##\Phi## both specifying the same state of the system, should they be ##\Psi(x,t)## and ##\Phi(p,t)## (the coefficients) instead? If so we will have
$$\begin{align*} \Psi &= \int c(p) f_p \, dx =\int \left[ \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}} e^{-ipx'/ \hbar} \Psi(x',t) \, dx' \right] \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}} e^{ipx/\hbar} \, dx \\
&= \int c(y) g_y \, dx = \int \Psi(y,t) \delta(x-y) dx = \Psi(y,t) \end{align*}$$
And if I use the Fourier transform of ##\delta(x)##
$$\delta(x) = \frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{ikx} \, dk$$
I get
$$\frac{1}{2\pi\hbar} \int e^{ipx/\hbar} \, dx = \delta(p) $$
which means the first line will be
$$\Psi = \int e^{-ipx'/\hbar} \Psi(x',t) \, dx' \delta(p) = \int \Psi(x',t) dx'$$
So I get ##\int \Psi(x',t) \, dx## and ##\Psi(y,t)=\Psi(x,t)## both equal to ##\Psi##?
 
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WeiShan Ng said:
I am having quite a confusion over here..

Write the momentum eigen vector \hat{P} | p \rangle = p | p \rangle in the coordinate space as \langle x | p \rangle = (2\pi \hbar)^{-1/2} e^{i p \cdot x / \hbar} . Now, any vector |\Psi \rangle can be expanded in an arbitrary orthonormal basis \{| \alpha \rangle\} according to |\Psi \rangle = \int d \alpha \ | \alpha \rangle \langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle . The component of the vector |\Psi \rangle along the “x-direction” in the coordinate space, i.e., the wavefunction \Psi (x) is calculated from \Psi (x) \equiv \langle x | \Psi \rangle = \int d \alpha \ \langle x | \alpha \rangle \langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle . Or \Psi (x) = \int d \alpha \ \langle x | \alpha \rangle \Psi (\alpha) . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (1) If the \langle x | \alpha \rangle is a Kernel of a Fourier transform, we usually write \tilde{\Psi}(\alpha) or \Phi (\alpha) instead of \Psi (\alpha) on the RHS of (1). This is the case when you take \alpha = p.
 
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I'm still trying to get my head around this, not sure if I understood it correctly... When we write ##|\Psi\rangle##, it means we haven't specify any particular basis set to represent the state vector, when we write ##\Psi(x)##, it means we are writing the component of ##|\Psi\rangle## along an element of a basis set that uses variable ##x##, like ##\{1/x,1/x^2,\dots\}##?

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samalkhaiat said:
$$Ψ(x)≡⟨x|Ψ⟩=∫dα ⟨x|α⟩⟨α|Ψ⟩.$$
for the ##∫dα ⟨x|α⟩⟨α|Ψ⟩##, does it mean we are finding ##|\Psi\rangle## in the direction of ##|x\rangle## then represent this using a set of basis vectors ##\{|\alpha\rangle\}##, i.e. we perform a basis tranformation??
 
WeiShan Ng said:
I'm still trying to get my head around this, not sure if I understood it correctly... When we write ##|\Psi\rangle##, it means we haven't specify any particular basis set to represent the state vector, when we write ##\Psi(x)##, it means we are writing the component of ##|\Psi\rangle## along an element of a basis set that uses variable ##x##, like ##\{1/x,1/x^2,\dots\}##?
Make the following correspondence with Linear Algebra |\Psi \rangle \to \vec{V} , \ \ \ \mbox{Abstract Vector},| \alpha \rangle \to \hat{e}_{i} , \ \ \ \mbox{Orthogonal unit vectors},\langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle \to \hat{e}_{i}\cdot \vec{V} = V_{i} , \ \ \mbox{component in i-direction}, \int d \alpha \to \sum_{i}. Now the expansion | \Psi \rangle = \int d \alpha \ | \alpha \rangle \langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle , will correspond to \vec{V} = \sum_{i} \hat{e}_{i} \left( \hat{e}_{i} \cdot \vec{V}\right) = \sum_{i} \hat{e}_{i}V_{i}. Do you recognise this equation?

we perform a basis tranformation??
Yes, it is simply a linear transformation relating the components of the vector in two different “coordinate systems”. That is the component of the vector |\Psi \rangle “along” the “unit” vector |x\rangle (i.e., the number \Psi (x) \equiv \langle x | \Psi \rangle) is related to its component “along” the “unit” vector |\alpha \rangle (i.e., the number \Psi (\alpha) = \langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle) by the transformation “matrix” \langle x | \alpha \rangle \equiv M(x, \alpha). So \langle x | \Psi \rangle = \int d \alpha \langle x | \alpha \rangle \langle \alpha | \Psi \rangle is same as \Psi (x) = \int d \alpha \ M( x , \alpha) \Psi (\alpha ) . This corresponds to the familiar linear (matrix) transformations in vector algebra V^{'}_{i} = \sum_{j} M_{ij} V_{j}

Remember | \Psi \rangle is an abstract vector (just like the vector \vec{V} in ordinary vector algebra) and \langle \beta | \Phi \rangle = \Phi ( \beta ) is a complex number representing the component of the vector |\Phi \rangle in the basis | \beta \rangle (just like the real number V_{i} which represents the component of \vec{V} along the unit vector \hat{e}_{i}).
 
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