Orthonormal Bases on Hilbert Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the properties of orthonormal bases in Hilbert spaces, specifically examining the conditions under which a given orthonormal set can be shown to also be an orthonormal basis. The focus is on the implications of the convergence of the series involving the norms of the differences between two orthonormal sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## is an orthonormal set in ##H## and the series $$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty \|x_n - y_n\|^2 < \infty$$ converges, then ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## must also be an orthonormal basis.
  • Another participant offers a brief outline of their thought process and encourages others to contribute, indicating a desire for collaborative exploration.
  • A counterexample is presented by a participant, suggesting that there may be a flaw in the initial assumption or reasoning.
  • One participant challenges another's assertion regarding the norms, suggesting that a finite dimensional example could clarify the situation.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning, indicating a potential for refinement in the discussion.
  • Another participant reiterates the original problem statement, questioning whether some elements of ##\{y_n\}## could be zero.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of having ##y=0##, suggesting that it may not satisfy the conditions of being normal.
  • One participant claims to have a partial solution, indicating ongoing exploration of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing viewpoints on the implications of the convergence condition and the validity of the proposed orthonormal set. There is no consensus on whether the conditions provided lead to a definitive conclusion regarding the orthonormality of ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}##.

Contextual Notes

Some participants have pointed out potential oversights or misunderstandings in earlier claims, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the main question of whether ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## must be an orthonormal basis.

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Let ##H## be a Hilbert space with an orthonormal basis ##\{x_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}##. Suppose ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## is an orthonormal set in ##H## such that $$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty \|x_n - y_n\|^2 < \infty$$ Show that ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## must also be an orthonormal basis.
 
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Here's a brief outline of an idea. I might have time to flesh it out this weekend, or maybe an enterprising student who wants to take a crack at this but isn't sure where to start is inspired to go through in detail and see if it turns into a proof.

since terns of the sum go to zero, you know that ##x_n\approx y_n## for large ##n##. So there's some ##N## for which every element of ##\span(x_{N+1},...)## is close to an element of ##\span(y_{N+1},...)## and vice versa. This might require using the convergence of the sum, in some additional way.

##x_1,...,x_N## and ##y_1,...,y_N## span ##N## dimensional spaces ##X## and ##Y##. Every element of ##Y## is in the span of all the x's and is almost orthogonal to the infinite dimensional space in the last paragraph, so is well approximated by an element in ##X##. Since ##X## and ##Y## have the same dimension, every element of ##X## is well approximated by an element of ##Y## as well.

If the y's do not span the space, there is some vector orthogonal to them. But that vector cannot be both almost orthogonal to ##X## and also almost orthogonal to the span of the other x's, which means it cannot be orthogonal to both ##Y## and the span of the other y's.
 
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I've given a counter example. Could be missing something simple (as is usual for me).

Okay, I've edited this. It's more in line with what I was intending. It's still wrong because ##y_1 \notin H##.

The statement is false as the following counter example shows. Let ##z_n## be an orthonormal set of vectors where ##n\in\mathbb{N}##. Let, $$x_n = z_1,z_3,z_4,\cdots$$ Then let $$y_n = z_2, z_3,z_4, \cdots$$ Clearly, both sets ##x_n## and ##y_n## define orthogonal sets. ##\sum_1^\infty \|| x_n - y_n||^2 = 2 < \infty## since every term is 0 except for the first term which is 2.
 
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No, @Paul Colby ##||y_n-x_n||^2=2## for all ##n##! Try a finite dimensional example (and ignore the tail) to check.
 
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Let ##H## be a Hilbert space with an orthonormal basis ##\{x_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}##. Suppose ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## is an orthonormal set in ##H## such that $$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty \|x_n - y_n\|^2 < \infty$$ Show that ##\{y_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}## must also be an orthonormal basis.
Some ##y_n=0##?
 
I think I have a partial solution,

we may write an operator $$U=\sum_{n=1}^\infty |y_n\rangle\langle x_n|$$ which is defined on all of ##H## and is norm preserving. Further, $$(1-U)|x_n\rangle=|x_n\rangle-|y_n\rangle.$$ Clearly, $$\|1-U\|^2 \le M = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \|x_n-y_n\|^2$$

For the case ##M < 1##, ##U## has an inverse on ##H##. Let ##X=1-U##. The sum, $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty X^n = \frac{1}{1-X} = U^{-1},$$ converges and defines the inverse operator on all of ##H##. The ##|y_n\rangle## therefore span ##H##.
 

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