Outer space where there was no gravity

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The discussion revolves around the nature of time in outer space, particularly in the context of gravity and relative motion. Participants explore how time is perceived differently depending on gravitational fields and speeds, touching on concepts from relativity and the implications of traveling at high velocities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time would tick infinitely fast in a gravity-free region of space, suggesting a misunderstanding of time's passage.
  • Another participant asserts that time ticks normally at one second per second, with changes occurring only near the speed of light, where time appears to slow down.
  • A participant notes that while traveling at high speeds, one would not notice a difference in their own time, but would observe aging differences upon returning to a stationary frame.
  • There is a query about whether there is a limit on how fast time can tick, leading to a discussion about perceptions of time across different gravitational fields.
  • One participant emphasizes that time passes at a constant rate for an individual, but others can perceive it differently based on their relative positions in gravitational fields.
  • Another participant argues that terms like "fast" and "slow" are meaningless when describing one's own time passage, as time is constant for the observer.
  • There is a clarification that while time is constant for an observer, it can appear to pass at different rates when compared to others in different frames of reference.
  • One participant challenges the definition of time, suggesting that using time to define time leads to a paradox.
  • Another participant states that gravity is always present and affects time, but insists that time itself does not slow down with speed; rather, differences are observed when comparing clocks in motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of time and its perception in various contexts. There is no consensus on the implications of time in relation to gravity and speed, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining time and its passage, particularly in relation to gravitational effects and relative motion. The discussion reveals limitations in understanding how time is perceived differently across various frames of reference.

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This might be a dumb question but if we could some how get into outer space where there was no gravity except I guess for are gravitational field. would time tick infinitely fast at this point.
 
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Time would tick normally at one second per second just like here on earth, it would only change if you reached near the speed of light, but in that case time would tick slower.
 


It might be worth noting that you still wouldn't notice any difference when traveling at high speeds, it's only when you go back to Earth frame and notice that the people have grown old faster than you.

Something Richard Feynman stresses in his books is the principle of not knowing your absolute speed. Relativity has to work so that there is no way you can tell whether you're moving or not, since there is no such thing as absolute speed. Otherwise we would be able to tell exactly how the Earth is moving in space and thereby determine a kind of universal origin, which seems very strange the more you think about it. The principle helps in ruling out unreal scenarios from thought experiments.
 


so is there a limit on how fast time can tick
 


The original question doesn't make much sense. Time passes at a rate of 1 second per second for you, period. But there is no limit on how fast you percieve time to be progressing for someone else. If you are high above the center of a gravitational field and someone else is deep in it, they can perceive your time to be passing infinitely fast, depending on how deep in it they are/how strong it is.
 


time ticking at 1second could appear fast to us in Earth frame,but this could be a very
slow rate in another frame ,right?
 


monty37 said:
time ticking at 1second could appear fast to us in Earth frame...
I don't know what you mean. Since time only ever passes at one rate for us, words like fast and slow to describe our time alone have no meaning. Can a car move faster than itself?
...but this could be a very slow rate in another frame ,right?
Someone in another frame could measure our time to be passing at a much slower rate (or a much faster rate) than theirs, yes.
 


iam sorry, that's what i meant ,someone in another frame could measure our
time to be passing at a much slower or faster rate than theirs.
 


russ_watters said:
Time passes at a rate of 1 second per second for you, period.
How can we define time with time the seconds would cancel.
 
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cragar said:
How can we define time with time the seconds would cancel.
What I just gave you is not the definition of time, just an explanation of the rate.
 
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Well first of all, there is always gravity from everything, nothing in the universe isn't effecting you right now (however small the pull might be.)

But to answer your question, time doesn't go slower when you are moving faster, time always goes the exact same speed. It's only when you compare times that you find a difference. You could be traveling half the speed of light and your time would tick the exact same time as someone else who has another clock of identical structure (from each others perspective.) But if you were to look at their stationary clock while you were traveling half the speed of light, it would appear to be moving slower. It also works vica versa.
 

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