Overdamping Condition of Nonlinear Equation

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The discussion revolves around the overdamping condition of nonlinear differential equations, specifically focusing on the equation of the form αy''(x) + βy'(x) + γsin[y(x)] = 0. Participants explore how to determine overdamping in nonlinear systems compared to linear cases, and they also consider related equations with constant terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the characteristic equation for a linear system and identifies conditions for underdamping and overdamping.
  • Another participant questions how to define underdamping in the context of a nonlinear equation and whether such equations are solvable or have periodic solutions.
  • A different participant suggests that overdamping occurs when characteristic roots are real and negative, but expresses uncertainty about applying this to nonlinear equations and mentions literature discussing overdamped limits in such cases.
  • Another participant raises a related question about the impact of constant terms in the equation αy''(x) + βy'(x) + γy(x) = cz + d, asking how the overdamping condition changes in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to define or determine overdamping in nonlinear equations, and multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the solvability and characteristics of such systems.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the nonlinear terms and the conditions under which the equations are analyzed. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the existence of periodic solutions and the implications of constant terms in the equations.

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In case of equation
\alpha y''(x)+\beta y'(x)+\gamma y(x)=0
where ##\alpha>0##, ##\beta>0##, ##\gamma>0##, characteristic equation is
\alpha r^2+\beta r+\gamma=0
and characteristic roots are
r_{1,2}=\frac{-\beta \pm \sqrt{\beta^2-4\alpha \gamma}}{2 \alpha}
If ## \beta^2<4\alpha \gamma## system is underdamped, and
if ## \beta^2>4\alpha \gamma## system is overdamped.
What in the case of equation
\alpha y&#039;&#039;(x)+\beta y&#039;(x)+\gamma \sin[y(x)]=0
when equation is nonlinear? How to find when system is overdamped? Thanks a lot for your help in advance.
 
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How do you define underdamping in such a situation? Is such an equation even solvable? And does it have periodic solutions (i.e. imaginary exponential parts in its solution)?
 
Overdamping is when characteristic roots are real and negative, I suppose. But I am not sure how to see that in case of nonlinear equations. I saw in literature that people discuss overdamped limit in case of nonlinear equations, but I am not sure how to do that. Because of that I asked here in the forum.

This limit is to my mind important to see when term ##\beta y'(x)## dominates over ##\alpha y''(x)##.
 
And just one more question, but very similar that the mentioned. What if we have equation
\alpha y&#039;&#039;(x)+\beta y&#039;(x) +\gamma y(x)=cz+d
If ##c## and ##d## are not functions of ##x##? What's happening with condition in that case?
 

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